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I’m a Herald, not a Negotiator

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Since I am getting a fair number of atheists and materialists to this blog as of late, I thought this article, written by my friend Tony Miano from his blog The Lawman Chronicles, will answer the myriad questions that are posed by them about what I believe and why I believe it.

But I’m almost positive that I’ve opened a whole new can of worms.

I’m a Herald, not a Negotiator

by Tony Miano

God exists. I know that God exists. How do I know? He has revealed Himself to me by the power of His Holy Spirit, and through the sacrificial death and glorious resurrection of His Son Jesus Christ. He has caused me to be born again, resulting in my repentance and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. He has given me spiritual eyes to see, the desire to know Him and obey Him, and the ability (although I still have much to learn) to understand His Word.

Whether you or I believe God exists is utterly irrelevant. One’s belief in God has no impact, positive or negative, on the existence of God. God is God. He always has been. He always will be.

I’m a herald, not a negotiator.

The Bible is true. How do I know?

God has declared in the Bible that the Bible is true; therefore it is true. I know that God’s Word is inspired and perfect because God has told me in His Word that it is inspired and perfect. The Bible is not true because I believe it. The Bible is true because it is true. And the truth has set me free.

God has declared in His Word that the fool has said in his heart that there is no God (Psalm 53:1-3). Therefore, it is foolish and illogical to deny God’s existence.

God has declared in His Word that what can be known about Him is plain to every person, because God has shown it to them (Romans 1:19). Therefore, it is foolish and illogical to deny God’s existence.

God has declared in His Word that those who deny His existence and refuse to worship Him do so not because of their superior intellect and common sense, but because they love their sin and suppress the truth about God in their unrighteousness. (Romans 1:18, 20-22). Therefore, it is foolish and illogical to deny God’s existence.

These statements regarding God and the Bible are commonly referred to as logical fallacies, of the type most often categorized as a “Circular Argument” or “Begging the Question.”

My response: I don’t care.

I’m a herald, not a negotiator.

Yes, these statements regarding the existence of God, my relationship with Him, and the authenticity, veracity, inerrancy, infallibility, and inspiration of the Bible are illogical; but only to the lost. They are fallacious; but only to the lost. The only truly faulty logic is to deny the existence of God and to refuse to submit to His authority.

A herald is a messenger who proclaims important news; one that gives a sign or indication of something to come; a harbinger. A herald is one who announces the coming or arrival of a king. A herald communicates the messages of his king, from one kingdom to another. A herald’s loyalty is to his king. A herald announces. He doesn’t negotiate.

Yes, within the king’s court there are negotiators, liaisons, solicitors, scholars, and diplomats–each having a legitimate role to play. I’m just not one of them. I’m a herald.

So, to the unbeliever–whether you call yourself an atheist, an agnostic, or an intellectual: I’m not interested in debates. I don’t care what arguments you have against the existence of God and the authority of His Christ. They mean nothing to me.

Why would I entertain such false notions that run contrary to the infallible and inerrant Word of God? Why would I continue to rummage through the wasteland of secular humanism and godless religions and faux spirituality, looking for something that is not there–something that can only be found in God through Jesus Christ? I have found the truth and the truth has set me free.

I’m a herald, not a negotiator.

I am singular in my focus. My motivation is simple. I want to love the Lord my God with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength. What drives me is love for my King. I want to know Him more. I want to obey Him more. I want to represent Him more.

And I want to love my neighbor as myself, in obedience to my King.

Loving my neighbor is not coddling their unbelief.

Loving my neighbor is not ignoring or applauding their sin.

Loving my neighbor is not treating their doubts about my Lord Jesus Christ as if doubt is some sort of holy right, when it’s nothing more than an unholy sin.

Loving my neighbor is not being afraid to tell them they are wrong when they are wrong.

Loving my neighbor is a willingness to sacrifice a friendship for the soul of my friend.

My God has taught me through His Word to love all people, even my enemies. And the most loving thing I can do for any person, whether friend or foe, is herald His message.

Here it is:

Repent and believe the gospel!

Oh, I welcome questions from unbelievers. I spend my life looking for opportunities to engage unbelievers in conversation.

But let me ask you this, unbeliever. If I answer all your questions to your satisfaction, will you drop to your knees, repent before God, beg Him to save you, and submit to Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?

If you just hesitated, or if you honestly answered “no,” then the reality is this. You’re not looking for answers. You’re simply and sinfully looking to justify your unbelief. And I won’t play your game.

I’m a herald, not a negotiator.

It’s been said that religion is the opiate of the masses. I agree with that, to a certain extent. Every false religion, every false gospel is an opiate to those who seek to create a lifeless, impotent, unrighteous god to suite themselves–one that can neither save nor destroy–one who is a mere figment of their sinful imagination.

Ah, but there are other equally powerful opiates. Atheism, Secular Humanism, and Darwinian Evolution are also opiates of the masses.

There are no atheists in hell. There are no unbelievers in hell. One day, my unbelieving friend, you will crash from the artificial high created by the narcotic analgesic of unbelief. And you will spend an infinite number of lifetimes going through the torment of spiritual withdrawals, which you will suffer in God’s eternal prison–hell.

One day everyone will believe. You will believe.

Everyone will declare Jesus Christ as Lord. Some will make the declaration as God welcomes them into His kingdom forever and ever. Sadly, many more will make the same declaration as the Lord sends them to hell for all eternity, as the just penalty for their sins against Him. Either way, every knee will bow–whether atheist or born-again follower of Jesus Christ–and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

Unbeliever, whom will you see on that day? An angry, wrath-filled Judge who will righteously punish your sin? Or a loving, merciful, gracious, and kind Father who will welcome you into His joy and His kingdom forever and ever?

I’m a herald, not a negotiator. And as such, I must herald this message to you.

You will one-day die and stand before the Creator, Almighty God, whom you’ve denied and mocked. He will judge you according to the perfect, moral standard of His Law. If He finds you guilty of so much as one lie, or one theft, or one greedy desire, or one selfish act, or one lustful look, or one hateful thought, or one blasphemous utterance; He will find you guilty of breaking His Law. The sentence you will receive will be just and good: eternity in Hell.

Your arguments against the righteous justice of Almighty God, my King, are irrelevant. My King is sovereign. You are not. And any man who tries to defend himself before the Great White Throne of the Creator and Judge of the Universe has a fool for a client.

God, who is rich in mercy, who is loving and kind, has provided only one way for you to escape His just and holy wrath. This is your only hope, whether you believe it or not.

Two thousand years ago, God the Father sent His Son to Earth in the person of Jesus Christ–fully-God and fully-Man, but without sin. Unlike you and me, He never once violated the Law of God in thought, word, or deed. He couldn’t. He was God in the flesh–the sinless Lamb of God. He was born of a virgin, just as the prophet said He would be, 750 years before His birth.

Thirty to thirty-three years into that earthly existence He voluntarily went to the cross. He suffered, shed His innocent blood, and died a horrific death. The Bible says that he was so badly beaten and mutilated that He could barely be recognized as human. He suffered and died, taking upon Himself the punishment you and I rightly deserve for violating God’s Law. Three days later He rose from the dead and forever defeated sin and death. Unlike the false gods of every other religion on the planet, Jesus Christ is alive and He will return at a time of the Father’s choosing.

What He commands of you is that you repent–that you turn away from and forsake your sin; and that you receive Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior.

Jesus said that unless a person is born again he cannot enter the kingdom of God. If God causes you to be born again, then when you die and stand before Him, instead of receiving what you deserve for breaking God’s Law (which is eternity in hell), you will receive what you don’t deserve (which is grace, and mercy, and everlasting life in heaven, with Jesus Christ).

So, repent and believe the gospel while my King has given you time.

That is the message my King would have me bring you. I’m not here to discuss terms with you. My King does not negotiate.

I’m a herald, not a negotiator.

Used with permission. See the original article here.

73 Comments

  1. Steve,

    Let’s ignore everything else that we’ve been talking about, for a bit, and just focus on the following:

    I still have no idea what you mean by “suppress the truth”. Please explain how that works.

    Your sermon just restated the “suppress the truth” statement, using the exact same words.

    Please explain what you mean by that statement.

    As for the ID issue, it’s again not important to me that you share my opinion on the matter. I just find it interesting in the same way I would if you wrote: “So, that Ted Haggard… what’s he been up to? I haven’t looked into what he’s been doing lately. Is he still running the megachurch? He’s still one of the top evangelists in America, right?”

  2. Steve,

    “Expat: I’m not afraid to die whatsoever. That’s one of the benefits of belief and trust.”

    Ah, I see! So….you’re not afraid to die….because of the belief and trust that you have (in God, I presume?).

    In other words, without the belief and trust you have, you would be afraid to die. It’s no wonder then, that you have convinced yourself that there is something to believe and trust in; it helps you hide from your fear of death.

    Very interesting.

  3. Sorry, I recognize that my last comment I said that I wanted to focus on one issue, but I brought up two issues.

    So, let’s ignore the ID issue for the time being, and focus on “suppress the truth” instead.

    I still have no idea what you mean by “suppress the truth”. Please explain how that works.

  4. You atheists lovely as you are keep missing the point. You take evolution on pure faith, believing we came from a rock and soup and a BANG that came from nothing. We tell you that man came from God; you say we evolved from a rock. Put a sane person in a chair that has not ever been exposed to all the debate, and ask “do you believe we came from God or from nothing?” There’s only one answer to that question unless he’s nuts. Nothing comes from nothing unless there was really something in the nothing which questions where did the something come from? Your answer: “nothing”. So what we are dealing with is a severe mental case of suppressing the truth that there’s a creator- God.

    You are taking it on faith either way you go, with evolution or with the logical conclusion, God. The question I had was why side with a faith that is less logical? My theory is that atheists are prideful and can’t handle the truth; that is that they have no knowledge at all for the position of something from nothing. Faith has no merit where human reason supplies the proof, and you do not like the fact that you have to stand on completely illogical faith to believe we came from a rock, that came from soup, that came from nothing. Lashing out at the message of God is like kicking a brick wall with no shoes. Why? Why do it? Because it is just as simple a decision [maybe easier] to believe God than to believe nothing in origins, there must be another underlying reason that is motivating the less logical and weaker decision to believe we came from nothing.

    Steve posted scripture that is clear that men choose willingly to suppress the truth because their deeds are evil. Now that makes perfect sense. A God who says, “Do not lie, steal, lust, hate”, etc. A guilty conscience that runs from authority. It may not be that you have a motive as bad as homosexuality or worse, but that has been the case many times in my discussions with others. One atheist lady I talked with finally conceded when I asked her to call to remembrance the first time she decided for atheism over faith in God, and why she chose. She admitted it was because she was lesbian by choice and took the path of least resistance to her lifestyle. Faith in God was actually more logical to her.

    Maybe some of you if you would honestly jog your memory as to why you chose not to believe in God, the real reason why was not scientific at all. Maybe it was peer pressure or some lifestyle like that lady.

  5. THE NARROW PATH

    There are two paths in front of me,
    But which one should I choose?
    Choosing one I’ll get all I want,
    But on the other my life I’ll lose.

    The first one’s so enticing.
    It’s smooth and very wide.
    But little do the people know,
    that all their souls have died.

    The second one is smaller.
    It’s rough and full of stones.
    And instead of hearing laughter.
    You often will hear groans.

    Although the narrow path is often not as “fun”.
    You have a great thing to look forward to,
    meeting God’s only Son.

    If you choose the first path, you may be happy all the time.
    But little do you know, it’s out of a pit that you must climb.

    And even though the narrow path is lonely and sometimes bare.
    You’ll have someone beside you, ’cause Jesus will be there.

    So you and I both have a choice, which path should we now choose?
    I want to see Him face to face so it’s my life I’ll choose to lose.

  6. CHILD OF MINE

    Dear Child of Mine~
    Why do you sometimes doubt, that I exist at all?
    Do you not see me catch you, every time you fall?
    Why do you always question all I do for you?
    Don’t you see it’s me that’s there, or haven’t you got a clue?
    Do you see the beauty, surrounding you each day?
    Or do you just ignore it and go along your way?
    Why don’t you spend time with me, I long to know your heart.
    Don’t you understand I see you as my piece of art?

    I’ve created the Heavens and I’ve created the Earth.
    And I was there before the moment of your birth.
    I’ve loved you from the very start, though you may turn from me.
    My plan for you is perfect, although you may not see.
    And when you think I’ve left you and am no where in your sight.
    I’m standing in your footsteps, putting up a fight.
    You see I’ve never left you, though that may be what you feel.
    Don’t think that I don’t care for you, for my love for you is real.
    And may I just remind you that the path to me is small.
    But if you trust in my love, I’ll never let you fall.

  7. Val wrote: “ou take evolution on pure faith, believing we came from a rock and soup and a BANG that came from nothing.

    and also: “you say we evolved from a rock

    and also: “Nothing comes from nothing unless there was really something in the nothing which questions where did the something come from? Your answer: “nothing”.

    and also: “and you do not like the fact that you have to stand on completely illogical faith to believe we came from a rock, that came from soup, that came from nothing.

    Here’s an idea: maybe it would be worth listening to you if you presented what we actually think and say, and not this distorted caricature straw man.

    Val, when you tell us that we say or think something, that bares little resemblance to what we actually say or see as our point of view, it’s very difficult for me to take you seriously.

    “do you believe we came from God or from nothing?”

    And when you see us say that we came from “nothing”, in the exact context that you’re using the word there, then that false dichotomy of a statement might have some validity.

    Currently, it does not.

    You are taking it on faith either way you go, with evolution or with the logical conclusion, God.

    I do not accept evolution due to faith.

    My theory is that atheists are prideful and can’t handle the truth; that is that they have no knowledge at all for the position of something from nothing.

    and also: “there must be another underlying reason that is motivating the less logical and weaker decision to believe we came from nothing.

    When you try to psychoanalyze someone (that you don’t know) based on an incorrect premise (e.g., “the position of something from nothing” or “believe we came from nothing”), you probably shouldn’t try in the first place.

    I can handle the truth, as soon as you present me with some. But Val, if you can’t get right things that I actually know about and understand, how could I possibly trust you to be right about things that I don’t understand?

    Lashing out at the message of God is like kicking a brick wall with no shoes.

    Please show where I have lashed out at the message of God. If you read carefully, you’ll see that I am politely asking Steve to clarify what I see as a contradiction, and I haven’t even mentioned anything about scripture.

    Why? Why do it?

    I don’t believe that I do it, unless you can show otherwise.

    Steve posted scripture that is clear that men choose willingly to suppress the truth because their deeds are evil.

    Please note that I have not argued this point with him. For the sake of the discussion, I have accepted that I suppress the truth in unrighteousness. That still leaves us with a situation where I’m aware that I know that God exists, but that I believe and think that God does not exist, and that seems like a contradiction to me. Therefore, I’m confused.

    Maybe some of you if you would honestly jog your memory as to why you chose not to believe in God, the real reason why was not scientific at all. Maybe it was peer pressure or some lifestyle like that lady.

    That idea certainly would be more comforting to you, I’m sure. Unfortunately, that isn’t the case for myself or any atheist that I personally know.

    For the record, I did not lose my faith due to peer pressure; nearly all of my friends at the time were Christians.

    For the record, I did not lose my faith due to “some lifestyle”.

    To further clarify, I didn’t lose my faith due to negative experiences or what someone else told me, or even “scientific” reasons.

    So, maybe you shouldn’t attempt to speak for other people when you clearly have no idea what their point of view is.

    Thank you,

    Nohm.

  8. Ack.

    I wrote: “I do not accept evolution due to faith.”

    I should have written: “My acceptance of evolution is not due to faith.”

  9. Nohm: Okay, final answer: You know that God exists, and you are lying when you say that you don’t think God exists.

    Phew! Glad to get that off my chest.

  10. She’s got a smile that it seems to me
    Reminds me of childhood memories
    Where everything
    Was as fresh as the bright blue sky
    Now and then when I see her face
    She takes me away to that special place
    And if I’d stare too long
    I’d probably break down and cry

    Sweet child o’ mine
    Sweet love of mine

    She’s got eyes of the bluest skies
    As if they thought of rain
    I hate to look into those eyes
    And see an ounce of pain
    Her hair reminds me of a warm safe place
    Where as a child I’d hide
    And pray for the thunder
    And the rain
    To quietly pass me by

    Sweet child o’ mine
    Sweet love of mine

    Where do we go
    Where do we go now
    Where do we go
    Sweet child o’ mine

  11. Nohm: Okay, final answer: You know that God exists, and you are lying when you say that you don’t think God exists.

    Wooosh, thank you. That at least clears up the main contradiction.

    So, “suppress the truth” means to lie, correct?

    We now have to get back to a couple of the questions I originally asked, since I assumed (when I asked them) that you would say that I was lying when I say I don’t think God exists.

    For these questions, we are assuming, for the sake of discussion, that I do believe that God exists, but that I’m lying to you when I say that I don’t believe He exists, and it assumes that I’m aware that I’m lying to you (right?):

    4. What benefit do you think I gain, from my point of view, by suppressing the truth?

    5. What benefit do you think I gain, from my point of view, by lying to you about my nonbelief?

    7. Do you think I’m aware how dumb it would be to suppress the truth (i.e., lie about my belief in the exist) of God, if not doing so, and repenting instead, means that I’ll go to Heaven?

  12. Phew! Glad to get that off my chest.

    How long have you thought that I was lying about this, Steve? Since the first time I wrote a comment here? Sometime later? Just now?

    (For the record, from my point of view, I’m not lying about this at all… but I understand that you think I’m lying.)

  13. Steve, you say to Nohm:

    “Okay, final answer: You know that God exists, and you are lying when you say that you don’t think God exists.”

    I presume this answer goes for all of us atheists, doesn’t it? I guess that means that you think you know the contents of our minds better than we do ourselves. Offhand, I can think of three possible reasons for your thinking this:

    1. You are convinced that you are a mind reader.

    2. You are convinced that it is impossible to not believe that God exists.

    3. You are convinced that what the Bible says about what unbelievers think, for instance in Romans 1:18, trumps what unbelievers actually say that they think.

    Somehow I doubt that reason 1 applies, although not being a mind reader myself, I can’t be sure. Val Scott, in the comment above, shows reason 2 at work, and I’ve come across many believers who simply cannot imagine not believing in God. Reason 3 often goes hand-in-hand with 2- if God says that we unbelievers are “suppressing” the truth, which we know in our hearts, who can gainsay Him?

    All I can say is, all three of these reasons are conversation-stoppers, because when someone arrogates knowledge of other’s thoughts and motives, they are not talking with these people any more, but merely talking at them.

    As Matt mentioned above, it’s quite possible for us to turn the spit, and claim that Christians only believe because they are afraid to die. While I suspect this may be true in many cases, I wouldn’t go so far as to impute this motive to any one Christian, much less all of them- it wouldn’t be honest of me, and it wouldn’t further conversation: how would you react if I claimed you were lying if you said you were only a Christian because you were afraid of death? And while it may well be true that there are self-proclaimed atheists who believe in God and hate Him, and suppress this, it is most certainly not true of all of us. When you claim that all atheists believe in God but lie about it, you are simply making yourself risible.

    Val Scott- you say:

    “We tell you that man came from God; you say we evolved from a rock. Put a sane person in a chair that has not ever been exposed to all the debate, and ask “do you believe we came from God or from nothing?” There’s only one answer to that question unless he’s nuts.”

    I actually pretty much agree with you, but your statement must be qualified. The key here is that the person has “not ever been exposed to all the debate”, i.e. the person is one who has not learned about evolutionary science, which means most Christians, in my experience. It does seem inconceivable that we came from rocks, doesn’t it? But although we don’t know exactly how it happened, we do know the broad outlines, and to any sane person who has examined the evidence, whether or not they believe in God, it is obvious that evolution provides the only explanation for the mindboggling degree of order seen in living things.

    And while there are still unanswered questions about abiogenesis and the beginning of the Universe, and probably always will be, positing a God who did it all merely begs these questions: where did God come from? All the answers to this question amount to sweeping it under a rug: God “exists outside of time”, or God is the “uncaused Cause”, or some other such wordplay. In fact, my answer to the Christian’s claim, based on our real-world experience, that “the Creation must have a Creator” is that, based on our real-world experience, any being as complex as God must have evolved. The question is, where and how? Anyone interested in a humorous answer that I wrote some time ago can look here: http://stupidevilbastard.com/2005/12/designer_genes_a_rapprochement/

    cheers from snowy Vienna, zilch.

    P.S. if any of you ever come out this way, drop me a line, and lunch is on me.

  14. Steve,

    “Nohm: Okay, final answer: You know that God exists, and you are lying when you say that you don’t think God exists.

    Phew! Glad to get that off my chest”

    So were you lying when you said previously that Nohm wasn’t lying?

    This just comes across like you trying to end an uncomfortable conversation that you don’t have an adequate response to. However, I take it that this means you’ll be moving on to a post admitting that your faith is purely based on your fear of death?

    Looking forward to it.

    And yeah, Val, telling people what they think – and getting it so, so wrong – is not cool. Sorry.

  15. Val, I agree with Nohm here. You are lumping him with a “standard” atheist. He has never posited these beliefs on this board.

    Based on what he has said, I gather Nohm may believe that something created the universe, but he’s not sure it’s our Lord. He’s asking why he should believe the God of the Bible is the God he should believe in.

    Is that in any way accurate Nohm?

  16. Bizzle,

    You’re a star.

    Cheers,

  17. Hi Bizzle,

    Val, I agree with Nohm here.

    Thanks!

    You are lumping him with a “standard” atheist.

    Well, I don’t know what a “standard” atheist is. Is it like my grandparents, who just don’t care about religion, and would never get into a religious discussion with anyone, out of politeness? Or is it like a screeching teenager on youtube who’s rebelling against his fundamentalist parents? Or is it someone like myself or ExPatMatt, who take this stuff seriously?

    You’ll have to explain to me what a “standard” atheist is.

    Regardless, I know a lot of atheists, and I don’t know a single one who would agree with what Val wrote above, concerning their beliefs and opinions.

    In fact, it seems to me that Val is like the last person in a game of “Telephone”. You know, where the first person whispers a sentence to the second person, and on down the line. Then the last person says aloud the sentence they heard, and everyone has a good laugh comparing it to what the first person said.

    In the same way, we have the scientists who are interpreted by the media who tries to put things in laymen’s terms, resulting in a loss of the precision of the scientists’ nomenclature. Then a creationist interprets what the media wrote, and puts their own spin on it to mock it. This then again goes down the line through a few other creationists, as it changes and is modified. Val reads it somewhere and that’s how we get from “we are carbon-based lifeforms” to “you atheists think you come from a rock.”

    Also, regarding the whole “something from nothing” issue: if I was to say that I have nothing in my refrigerator, would you then think that the inside of my fridge is a void? If you ask me what I’m thinking about, and I answer with “nothing”, does that mean that there is literally nothing going on in my brain?

    I would say “no”. I would say that this is the result of reading “nothing” and not taking the context into account.

    Lastly, I should note that Val seems to think that the theory of evolution deals with the origin of life. She is incorrect; that’s abiogenesis. Evolution only deals with how life changes and diversifies, once we have life.

    He has never posited these beliefs on this board.

    Thank you, Bizzle. You are correct, I have never posited these beliefs on this board. In fact, when I have posited my opinions, I have explained that I’m a determinist who thinks that what you call “creation” is really just a large collection of emergent systems. I’ll talk more about my opinions later in this comment.

    Based on what he has said, I gather Nohm may believe that something created the universe,

    Well, I think that “created” kinda rigs the statement, as the word implies that there is a creator. I prefer to use the word “caused”, as in “something caused the universe”.

    Now, as to what that cause is? I don’t know. I definitely don’t think it had intelligence. Anything with “intelligence”, it seems to me, would require its own cause. How far this line of causality goes back, I don’t know. It might be infinite, it might not; I don’t know.

    but he’s not sure it’s our Lord.

    I’ll say that I’m pretty sure it’s not your Lord. Mostly because I don’t believe that your Lord exists.

    He’s asking why he should believe the God of the Bible is the God he should believe in.

    That’s a fair assessment, although I’d add that before I’d ask that, I would ask why I should believe in one or more god(s) in the first place, and then I’d ask why I should believe in just one god… then we can talk about just which God it is.

    Is that in any way accurate Nohm?

    I hope that what I wrote was able to answer this question for you, Bizzle. I very much appreciate that you are asking me what I think, instead of telling me what I think.

    Be well,

    Nohm

  18. Nohm,

    Thanks for answering. When I mean “standard” (notice the quotes) I mean Val’s definition. Many Christians have Val’s ideas regarding atheists and it’s not true. It’s like you said, they think they know what you believe when in fact they have no idea. And I cannot fathom how one can go about trying to tell people about God if we don’t understand their viewpoint.

    One of my best friends is an atheist, and he is one of the most intelligent, family-oriented and ethical people that I know. In fact, he behaves better than some Christians I know! He just doesn’t believe in God.

    I apologize if it seems like I put words in your mouth. I’d agree that “caused” is probably better terminology than “created”. I’m just trying to get your POV.

  19. Nohm,

    I also agree with you that Val, as well as many other Christians, think evolution deals with life origins. I didn’t know the name of the word, so thanks for telling me about abiogenesis. Once again, it stems from their ignorance of the issue. I can see why that is, to a certain extent though. Why focus your time on something that your beliefs tell you is wrong? We don’t study the Qur’an because we don’t believe it’s correct. Same thing with evolution.

    Now I know a bit about it because of what I learned in school, but I don’t discuss it because frankly I am not knowledgable enough about it.

  20. Hi Bizzle,

    1. “I apologize if it seems like I put words in your mouth. I’d agree that “caused” is probably better terminology than “created”. I’m just trying to get your POV.

    No apology needed. I appreciate that you’re trying to get my POV, especially by asking what it is.

    In other words, we’re all good. 🙂

    2. “Why focus your time on something that your beliefs tell you is wrong?

    I’m assuming that this probably a rhetorical question, but if I replace “focus your time on” with “learn about”, then I would answer “I learn about things that I think are wrong for that exact reason… because I think they’re wrong. I learn about them to see if I’m actually the one who’s wrong instead (in which case I would want to correct my viewpoint), to better understand why someone would believe in something wrong, and to better understand my own viewpoint.”

    In short, I view exploration, especially of issues that I disagree with, to be incredibly important to better understanding myself. And I view the process of better understanding myself to be a top priority.

    So, for example, I don’t think that the Qur’an, or Islamic belief, is correct… but I study it because I want to understand why I think it’s incorrect.

    Also, for the record, I’ve found that people, whether they be Christian, Muslim, atheist, or other, tend to incorrectly think that evolution deals with life origins. I’ve found that there’s a lot of (mostly unintentional) misinformation about the theory of evolution out there, starting with what the word “theory” actually means.

    I understand that you weren’t defending this behavior, though.

    Pleasure chatting with you, Bizzle.

    Be well,

    Nohm

  21. Same here, Nohm. 🙂

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