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  1. vintango

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    And the lesson here is. Religious attire should worn at your own peril, try and use common sense when you’re going to be doing potentially dangerous activities, its akin to going rock climbing with a blind fold on I guess.

    • Steve Sanchez

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      Garrett,

      Not bashful at all.

      I do delete posts that give a disrespectful, wrongly interpreted perspective of my loving God. And just so you know, God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked. It’s not God’s will that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

      What happened to this poor woman is extremely sad and grievous; I’m surprised that you show so little concern or compassion. Before I was a Christian, I, too, had little compassion for others.

  4. vintango

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    I do have to ask what the purpose of the post is, yes a Muslim woman died because she was foolishly wearing something she shouldn’t have during a potentially dangerous activity, things like this happen, just like teenagers will leap over spillways on Jetskis and fall off, dying or breaking many many bones in their bodies. Its truly difficult for people to show compassion or concern for someone that is unknown to us. We show compassion and concern for people based on their relationship with us personally whether it be a neighbor or family member, or even a person we pass on the street in need of a trip to the hospital. But ultimately what message are you trying to get across Steve? That she was killed because she was a Muslim? That it was her time to die?

  5. perdita

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    “It’s not God’s will that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.”

    “The Word has two effects on a person: a hardening of the heart, or a softening of the heart: Pharaoh, in the account of the 10 plagues in the book of Exodus, shows how God uses His Word to bring about His purposes in hardening a heart for His glory.”

    So, God’s will really isn’t that all should come to repentance, is it. Seems like if there’s a choice between our repentance and His Glory, His Glory wins.

  6. Garrett

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    I’m illuminating the nature of your religion, Steve. The one that gets followers to post the tragic deaths of people to scare people into conversion.

    I wish I could be that disrespectful.

    • Steve Sanchez

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      The most loving thing I can do for you Garrett, is to remind you weekly of your impending death, and to implore you to repent and put your trust in the Savior before your condemnation is secured.

      It’s a real wake-up call for those who have ears to hear. Please consider my pleadings on your behalf, my friend.

  7. vintango

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    I still haven’t gotten a straight answer from anyone on this site about an issue I had raised last week. Jim attempted to answer it but couldn’t really define it very well. You bring up a point Steve that you’re doing the loving thing by telling Garrett that he’s going to be judged. But what about people who have never heard of Jesus or God because they are/were geographically isolated from the rest of humanity, such as tribes in the Amazon rain forest. Jesus stated that only by believing in him can one enter the kingdom of heaven, then are these people predestined for hell because they have no churchs, no bibles, or no internet for which someone can tell them these things? Is that fair or just to born into that society with no way of salvation. No one ever gave me a good answer, Jim attempted to but tended to vacillate on his answer because he didn’t want to sound bad.

  8. Nameless Cynic

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    Steve:
    God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked. It’s not God’s will that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

    Really? (You know me – all KJV)

    Deuteronomy 13:6-10 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;

    Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;

    Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:

    But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.

    And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

    Exodus 22:20: He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.

    Deuteronomy 17:2-7: If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant,

    And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;

    And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel:

    Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

    At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.

    The hands of the witnesses shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterward the hands of all the people. So thou shalt put the evil away from among you.

    Deuteronomy 17:12-13: And the man that will do presumptuously, and will not hearken unto the priest that standeth to minister there before the LORD thy God, or unto the judge, even that man shall die: and thou shalt put away the evil from Israel.

    And all the people shall hear, and fear, and do no more presumptuously.

    Jude 5: I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

    John 15:6: If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

    Deuteronomy 7:1-2: When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou;

    And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:

    Jeremiah 15:2: And it shall come to pass, if they say unto thee, Whither shall we go forth? then thou shalt tell them, Thus saith the LORD; Such as are for death, to death; and such as are for the sword, to the sword; and such as are for the famine, to the famine; and such as are for the captivity, to the captivity.

    Acts 3:23: And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

    Leviticus 24:16: And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death.

  9. Garrett

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    Actually, Steve, it seems like most of your fellow Living Waterers (?) lean Calvinist but are too afraid to commit lest it cause infighting. So it seems like we really don’t have a choice after all.

    Do you disagree with them? Will you take a stand and firmly for Arminianism or just waffle like everyone else? Didn’t God say something about lukewarm believers?

  11. vintango

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    Still no straight answer on the Amazonian tribes… a yes or no answer is all that is required, maybe an explanation of the reasoning behind it?

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