Pre-born Vs. Newborn Differences

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Scott Klusendorf says that there are only four differences between a pre-born and newborn. He uses the acronym S.L.E.D.

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Size: Does how big you are determine who you are?

Level of development: Are 20-year-olds more human than 14-year-olds, since they are smarter and stronger?

Environment: Does being inside a house make you more or less of a person than being outside? Does being located in his mother’s body rather than outside make a child less human?

Degree of dependency: Does dependence upon another determine who you are? Is someone with Alzheimer’s or on kidney dialysis less of a person?

The question is not how old or big or smart or inconvenient the unborn are, but who they are. The answer is simple: they are human beings. (“Why Pro life?” Randy Alcorn, Pg. 31)

Comments (7)

  1. Scott deBeaubien

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    Great article Steve. You know, atheists are not ever likely – as long as they remain atheists – to see that a human child in the womb is every bit as much a “Human” as somebody who is in the prime of their life who is being “inconvenienced” by a pregnancy. Atheists, well, they write their own rules.

    I wrote a blog article some time back:

    http://sdebeaubien.wordpress.com/2012/11/02/what-atheists-believe-or-dont/

    I’m hoping to get some real feedback on that, so that we can engage in a real debate, no name-calling, that type of thing. Honest, intellectual debate with folks who don’t instantly “Hate” everything on the Internet they don’t happen to agree with. Let’s see what happens?

    • Nohm

      Reply

      Hi Scott,

      I’ll write up a full reply at some point, Scott, but I don’t understand why you continue to engage in failed mind-reading.

      Instead of asking atheists what they think and believe, and what their opinions are, you simply state what you think that they are, as if it’s a fact.

      I brought this up to you before, when you had that list of “5 atheist answers”. I even followed up with you on your blog, and you didn’t really respond to any of my points.

      I didn’t name-call you; I tried to engage in a real debate with you, and I certain don’t “hate” everything on the internet that I don’t agree with.

      So, are willing to look more into what you’re doing, and realize that telling someone what they think, instead of asking someone what they think, might lead to a better discussion?

      • Nohm

        As examples of failed mind-reading, we have your post right here, where you write:

        1. “You know, atheists are not ever likely – as long as they remain atheists – to see that a human child in the womb is every bit as much a “Human” as somebody who is in the prime of their life who is being “inconvenienced” by a pregnancy.”

        2. “Atheists, well, they write their own rules.”

        Where do you get this information? You cite no atheist who said this, and you certainly didn’t ask anyone here, so where does this come from? Why are you engaging in failed mind-reading when it would be so much easier to simply say, “hey atheists, who writes up the rules that you follow?”

        Yeesh.

      • Nohm

        As Steve mentions in a comment below, and as I’ve mentioned before on Steve’s blog, there exist pro-life atheists.

        Therefore, your statement “You know, atheists are not ever likely – as long as they remain atheists – to see that a human child in the womb is every bit as much a “Human”” is quite clearly false.

    • Nohm

      Reply

      Okay, I just read your screed where you tell people what they think, based on your failure to think you can read minds (although you claim it’s due to “things I’ve been learning in the past couple years”, which I’d like to ask, “learn from WHERE?” and “what did people say to make you come to THESE particular conclusions?”)

      To put it lightly, as an atheist, I very much disagree with your conclusions as to “What Atheists Believe (Or Don’t)”, and I’m astounded by what appears to be a lack of research.

      Two quick questions, Scott: is it possible that you’re completely incorrect as to your understanding about what atheists think? Is it possible that there are many different beliefs (or lack of beliefs) among the population of atheists*?

    • Nohm

      Reply

      I have made the point before, Steve, that there are pro-life atheists, because I dislike the failed mind-reading that happens when people claim that all atheists are pro-choice.

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