Atheist Tuesday: Fearfully and Wonderfully Made

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I preached a sermon a couple of weeks ago based on Psalm 139. Here’s an excerpt that will prove to atheists that I am not against science at all. At the end of the excerpt you can read the sermon in its entirety or watch it or listen to it online.

Have you stopped to consider the piece of work you are?

Just consider the human cell: A single DNA molecule contains 20 billion bits of information. How much is that? Its equivalent, if it were written down in an ordinary printed book, would be about three billion letters.

If there are approximately six letters in an average word, the information content of that DNA molecule corresponds to about 500 million words.

If there are about 300 words on an ordinary page of printed type, this corresponds to about two million pages.

If a typical book contains 500 such pages, the information content of a single human DNA molecule corresponds to some 4,000 volumes.

“It is clear, then, that the sequence of rungs on our DNA ladders represents an enormous library of information. It is equally clear that so rich a library is required to specify as exquisitely constructed and intricately functioning an object as a human being.”

Do you know who gave that great quote?

Believe it or not, that quote and all that information comes from astronomer and atheist Carl Sagan, who thinks it all happened by chance! (The Dragons of Eden, Speculations on the Evolution of Human Intelligence [BallentineBooks], pp. 23-25)

Yes indeed, we are fearfully and wonderfully made. He knows everything about you because he made you special. He made babies special. He made those in the mother’s womb special.

If you are a Christian, you must be pro-life and anti-abortion. If you go by Scripture alone, you see that God is the one who knit you and me in the womb.

Why are people so adamant that the pre-born are not human?

My friend Dan had a bumper sticker on his truck that read: “Fetus is Latin for baby.” His truck got rocks thrown at it.

Why is the big question always: “When does life begin?”

Here’s how it’s answered: “Biologically speaking, human development begins at fertilization.” Who said that? National Geographic in 2006. (“The Biology of Prenatal Development,” National Geographic, 2006)

“The two cells gradually and gracefully become one. This is the moment of conception, when an individual’s unique set of DNA is created, a human signature that never existed before and will never be repeated.” (“In the Womb,” National Geographic, 2005)

You and I and we are all absolutely unique, and God knows everything about us. But check this out:

Are you familiar with laminins? They are the proteins in our body that hold one cell to the next cell. Without them we would literally fall apart.

Now that you know what they are, do you know what they look like?

This brings to mind what Paul wrote about Jesus in Colossians 1:15-17:

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

Are you special in God’s sight? He knows everything about you. He knows everywhere you go. He knows everything you are and everything you do—and he’s in complete control of everything you are involved in.

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If you want to hear or watch the sermon in its entirety click here then scroll down to July 17, 2011. Or you can read it below:

HE KNOWS ME!

Psalm 139

 

It seems that every time I want to teach about a Psalm I say the same thing in the introduction: This is one of the greatest Psalms in the Bible. I suppose I will say that for every one of them.

 

But Psalm 139 really is one of the great ones. It offers this simple truth: There is no escape from God. That can be immensely comforting for the Christian who is struggling and wonders if anyone really cares, does anyone know what I’m going through?

 

This Psalm is written from the perspective of King David who is deeply troubled by his enemies and knows that the best thing to do in a time of trial is to meditate on who God is.

 

Psalm 139 outlines the fact that God is intimately acquainted with who we are and knows exactly what we are going through. It reassures us that God is in control of every aspect of our life and watches over every step of our way. There is no escape from God.

 

Where are you at today? Are you worried? Are you in trouble? Is there a particular challenge you are facing that you cannot find an answer to? Are you uncertain, afraid, sad, hurt or scared?

 

If so, then you are in the right place to hear from God’s Word as he reminds you once again of Who He is and what He can do, so that you will be encouraged to put your trust more fully in Him.

 

Read Psalm 139.

 

No other Psalm details the three attributes of God that make him God so thoroughly and applies them so personally:

His omniscience, omnipresence and omnipotence—His complete sovereignty over all creation!

 

If you’re not familiar with those terms they simply mean that God is all-knowing, all-present and all-powerful.

 

In other words: God knows what needs to be done: That’s omniscience. He’s always wherever He needs to be to do whatever needs to be done: That’s omnipresence. He has the power to do it: That’s omnipotence.

 

The wonderful thing about those attributes, as written about in this Psalm, is that they are directed toward us when explaining God’s loving care for us.

 

Vs. 1-6: God’s Omniscience: He knows EVERYTHING about me!

 

v.1: O LORD, you have searched me
and you know me.

The Lord knows his own. If you have trusted in the Lord Jesus Christ for forgiveness of sins, then God knows you. Intimately.

[How can you tell if the Lord knows someone?]

v.2: You know when I sit and when I rise;
you perceive my thoughts from afar.

 

He knows you in your passive life and in your active life. He knows your every action. He knows every thought that you have and the very motivations of your heart!

 

v.3:  You discern my going out and my lying down;
you are familiar with all my ways.

 

He knows when we get up in the morning to when we go to sleep at night; he knows all our habits: the good ones, the bad ones, the ugly ones.

 

I read about how a few hundred years ago parents would put a picture of a big eye in the rooms of their children to remind them that God was watching them.

 

[Woody Allen movie with Mom in the sky]

 

Aren’t you glad that God is invisible? Because of that fact we truly can live our lives with the choice to live for his glory instead of looking over our shoulder and being forced to do good. That’s the difference between love and legalism.

 

We want to live to please the Lord because we love him, not because we have to.

 

v. 4: Before a word is on my tongue
you know it completely, O LORD.

 

We think when we’ve held our tongue we’ve done good, but Scripture goes a step further: “…we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ. (2 Cor. 10:5)

 

That’s the tough part, training ourselves to be godly, to bring every word, deed, action and thought into obedience to God.

 

We may believe by controlling our tongue we are not sinning against the Lord, but what’s in our hearts?

What are you thinking toward those who despise you? Who malign your good character? Who abuse you? Who take advantage of you?

 

Jer. 17: 9: The heart is deceitful above all things
and beyond cure.
Who can understand it?

 

Obviously, the Lord does. He knows every thought. This is why it’s important to confess not only our outward sins, but our inward, too. Hey! He knows everything already. It’s an opportunity to come clean. He loves you. You can talk to him.

 

Vs. 5-6: You hem me in—behind and before;
you have laid your hand upon me.
Such knowledge is too wonderful for me,
too lofty for me to attain.

 

God has his hand upon us so that we cannot escape his grasp. I like looking at it as if we are sown in a little pillow. He’s got a hold of us.

 

What should our response be to a God who knows everything about us? Awe. Thankfulness. Praise. We do this because he loves us, even though he knows everything about us.

 

Sometimes when I think about me, my personality, my sins, the motivations of my heart…I can’t stand me. But here’s my God who despite all my failings, loves me.

 

This is why we get depressed. We focus on us: our problems, our situations, what we don’t have, our issues. Me! Me! Me! And that can only get us down.

But when we think about the Lord Jesus Christ, who loved us with an everlasting love, who died for us, who lives in us—not because of anything we’ve done but because of his mercy, that’s cause for rejoicing!

 

He knows me.

 

Romans 11:33-36: Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God!
How unsearchable his judgments,
and his paths beyond tracing out!
34 “Who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has been his counselor?”
35 “Who has ever given to God,
that God should repay him?”
36 For from him and through him and to him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen.

 

Vs. 7-12: God’s Omnipresence: He knows EVERYWHERE I go!

 

This is pretty obvious, but you can’t hide from God. Like that old song sung by The Police: “Every move you make, every breath you take, I’ll be watching you.”

 

Where can I go from your Spirit?
Where can I flee from your presence?

 If I go up to the heavens, you are there;
if I make my bed in the depths, you are there.


9 If I rise on the wings of the dawn,
if I settle on the far side of the sea,
10 even there your hand will guide me,
your right hand will hold me fast.

 11 If I say, “Surely the darkness will hide me
and the light become night around me,”
12 even the darkness will not be dark to you;
the night will shine like the day,
for darkness is as light to you.

Adam and Eve tried to hide from God after they disobeyed him in the Garden of Eden, but God found them. And he banished them from paradise.

 

Jonah tried to hide from God because he didn’t like the work God had planned for him. But God found him. And he was swallowed up in a great fish until he came to his senses.

 

Judas tried to hide from God by taking his own life after his disobedience by betraying Christ. But God found him. And he is now in the presence of God’s wrath for all eternity.

 

Christians still think they can hide from God. It starts with a hurt, a betrayal or a disappointment in people or circumstances.

 

It manifests itself in less time spent with God. The Bible gathers dust. Prayer becomes perfunctory; a meal time blessing suffices.

 

Church fellowship becomes a “have-to,” a chore, an obligation. Because life tends to take over, the cares of the world and the deceitfulness of wealth choke out God’s Word.

 

Christian character is now of little or no importance. No one holds you accountable for your actions; you do what you want. You give full vent to your anger. You scream a bit more. You take a few extra drinks—after all, you’re not really getting drunk.

 

You medicate. Call the psychologist. Renew that pain-killing prescription. You contemplate divorce. You consult the lawyer.

 

You re-marry. You move. You make new friends but they have the same issues that your old ones had. Your new spouse is even more obnoxious than your last one. Your new job is worse. You ignore your problems. Things don’t change.

 

And you think you are hiding from God?

 

Jer. 20:23-24:

 

“Am I only a God nearby,”
declares the LORD,
“and not a God far away?
24 Can anyone hide in secret places
so that I cannot see him?”
declares the LORD.
“Do not I fill heaven and earth?”
declares the LORD.

 

So many Christians want that fresh start, a new chance, but they aren’t learning the lessons that God has put before them, so they run.

 

They convince themselves that the sin they are involved in is right and they go from pastor to pastor until they find one that agrees with them.

 

But God patiently waits. He knows where you are. He waits until you get sick of the pig pods for dinner; He waits until you come to the end of yourself. He waits for you to return. In fact, he makes you return—if you are truly his.

Jn 10:28: I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand.

 

He knows where you are. Stop hiding from him. Stop ignoring him. Come back. He loves you.

He knows you!

Vs. 13-18: God’s Omnipotence: He knows EVERYTHING I am, EVERYTHING I do—He’s in control!

The thought that the darkness cannot hide us from God brings David to the thought that God formed him in his mother’s womb and that he is sovereign over every aspect of his life.

Vs. 13-16a: For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my mother’s womb.
14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
your works are wonderful,
I know that full well.

My frame was not hidden from you
when I was made in the secret place.
When I was woven together in the depths of the earth,
16 your eyes saw my unformed body.

Have you stopped to consider the piece of work you are?

Just consider the human cell: A single DNA molecule contains 20 billion bits of information. How much is that? Its equivalent, if it were written down in an ordinary printed book, would be about three billion letters.

 

If there are approximately six letters in an average word, the information content of that DNA molecule corresponds to about 500 million words.

 

If there are about 300 words on an ordinary page of printed type, this corresponds to about two million pages.

 

If a typical book contains 500 such pages, the information content of a single human DNA molecule corresponds to some 4,000 volumes.

 

“It is clear, then, that the sequence of rungs on our DNA ladders represents an enormous library of information. It is equally clear that so rich a library is required to specify as exquisitely constructed and intricately functioning an object as a human being.”

 

Believe it or not, that quote and all that information comes from astronomer and atheist Carl Sagan, who thinks it all happened by chance! (The Dragons of Eden, Speculations on the Evolution of Human Intelligence [BallentineBooks], pp. 23-25)

 

Yes indeed, we are fearfully and wonderfully made. He knows everything about you because he made you special. He made babies special. He made those in the mother’s womb special.

If you are a Christian, you must be pro-life and anti-abortion. If you go by Scripture alone, you see that God is the one who knit you and me in the womb.

Why are people so adamant that the pre-born are not human?

[My friend Dan and his bumper sticker: “Fetus is Latin for baby.” His truck got rocks thrown at it.]

Why is the big question always: “When does life begin?”

Here’s how it’s answered: “Biologically speaking, human development begins at fertilization.” Who said that? National Geographic in 2006. (“The Biology of Prenatal Development,” National Geographic, 2006)

“The two cells gradually and gracefully become one. This is the moment of conception, when an individual’s unique set of DNA is created, a human signature that never existed before and will never be repeated.” (“In the Womb,” National Geographic, 2005)

You and I and we are all absolutely unique, and God knows everything about us. But check this out:

Are you familiar with laminins? They are the proteins in our body that hold one cell to the next cell. Without them we would literally fall apart.

 

Now that you know what they are, do you know what they look like?

 

***ROBERT: SHOW AN IMAGE OF LAMININ FROM GOOGLE IMAGES***

 

This brings to mind what Paul wrote about Jesus in Colossians 1:15-17:

 

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

 

Are you special in God’s sight? He knows everything about you. He knows everywhere you go. He knows everything you are and everything you do—and he’s in complete control of everything you are involved in.

 

Vs 16b: All the days ordained for me
were written in your book
before one of them came to be.

 

You mean he ordained me to be married to this brute? You mean he put me here in this stinkin’ job with this lousy, cruel boss? You mean he, he, he…

 

YES! He put you there to trust in him. Are you thanking him? Are you praising him for the situation you find yourself in?

 

You know how often God thinks about you and your circumstances? How much he thinks of you?

 

Vs. 17-18: How precious to me are your thoughts, O God!
How vast is the sum of them!
18 Were I to count them,
they would outnumber the grains of sand.
When I awake,
I am still with you.

 

How many thoughts is that? Someone calculated all the grains of sand in the world to be seven quintillion five quadrillion. (700,500,000,000,000,000,000)

 

[Incidentally, there are way more atoms in the body: (7,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000) That’s 7 followed by 27 zeros.]

He knows us.

 

Then all of a sudden in the next verses the Psalm takes a nasty turn:

 

Vs. 19-22: If only you would slay the wicked, O God!
Away from me, you bloodthirsty men!
20 They speak of you with evil intent;
your adversaries misuse your name.
21 Do I not hate those who hate you, O LORD,
and abhor those who rise up against you?
22 I have nothing but hatred for them;
I count them my enemies.

 

Why in the midst of a beautiful poem like this does David call down fire from Heaven with an imprecatory prayer?

 

Perhaps he is in the midst of trouble with his enemies and as he reflects on God’s care for his life he wants revenge.

 

Or could it be that as he meditates on the goodness of God and his loving kindness he gets angry at all those who would blaspheme his name?

 

Regardless, it’s an honest request for God to take action—and now!

 

The wonderful thing about having an intimate relationship with God is that you can tell him anything, he’s our Father. Be honest with him. Be open. He cares.

The best revenge anyone could get on an enemy is to pray that he becomes a Christian. Then you turn an adversary into a brother or sister. “Get him God! That’ll show him! Make into one of those Born-Agains! Ha! Ha!”

The Psalmist, as if catching himself getting irritated and agitated again as he loses his focus on the One who cares for him, brings it back to the Lord who cares for him and protects him from all harm.

Vs. 23-24: Search me, O God, and know my heart;
test me and know my anxious thoughts.
24 See if there is any offensive way in me,
and lead me in the way everlasting.

In conclusion, I want you to apply these words of J. I. Packer, from his book, “Knowing God” to you, personally.

“What matters supremely, therefore, is not, in the last analysis, the fact that I know God, but the larger fact which underlies it—the fact that he knows me.

“I am graven on the palms of his hands. I am never out of his mind. All my knowledge of him depends on his sustained initiative in knowing me. I know him because he first knew me, and continues to know me.

“He knows me as a friend, one who loves me; and there is no moment when his eye is off of me, or his attention distracted from me, no moment, therefore, when his care falters.”

Are you willing to trust him where you are?

He knows you.

Comments (29)

  1. Nohm

    Reply

    That’s what a drawing of a laminin looks like; that’s not what it actually looks like. You can even see it in the videos that some preachers have online of the whole “ohmygosh laminin looks like the cross”.

    So, that’s not accurate.

    Make me wonder why people don’t go crazy over a lower-case ‘t’, or an elongated plus sign; it’s not like “the cross” is an extremely complicated shape.

  2. Nohm

    Reply

    Also, Steve claims here that Carl Sagan thinks it all came by chance.

    Are you certain that Mr. Sagan thought that? Is it possible that you’re doing failed mind-reading?

    As a determinist, I obviously don’t think it happened by chance.

    I simply will never understand this desire that some people, like Steve and Richard and Tony Yu and so on, have for telling other people how the other people think. And there seems to be no shame or embarrassment when Steve or Richard or whomever is wrong for the hundredth time.

    I find it both confusing and fascinating. Why would someone do that?

  3. BathTub

    Reply

    “If you are a Christian, you must be pro-life and anti-abortion.”

    That’s makes no sense and isn’t remotely biblical. The bible is full of God commanding and performing abortions.

    It is a great example of cherry picking theology.

    Nice to see you falling for the laminins glurge.

    “Why is the big question always: “When does life begin?”

    Your answer doesn’t answer your question. You ask about life then answer about development.

    Sperm are alive. Eggs are alive.

    I don’t know a single person who thinks an unborn child is not human.

    And it’s so nice of the rock throwers to explicitly tell Dan why they threw rocks at his truck. How polite of them.

  4. Garrett

    Reply

    National Geographic, while a lovely magazine, is not a scientific journal.

    If you loved science so much as you claimed, you’d actually know that.

  5. vintango2k

    Reply

    Almost not a complete transcript, of your sermon but close. I listened to your sermon Steve and found it interesting, though I’m confused why you didn’t boldly post that Carl Sagan now knows the truth. I also fail to see the point of posting a quote from a man whom you appeal to authority for science but ultimately believe is completely wrong?

  6. vintango2k

    Reply

    Also… Laminin is NOT shaped like a cross, you’ve clearly pulled this from an incorrect source and are pleased as punch to parrot it. I find that pretty dishonest Steve… I mean… have you ever told a lie?

    • Vagon

      Reply

      Ask yourself if yourself if you honestly believe the shape of a laminin is a compelling argument for your particular version of your deity.

      Laminins are a protein which are essentially amino acids. Amino acid chains look like forked lightning, so therefore we must all worship Zeus. In fact Zeus is the only thing holding Jesus together.

      Convinced?

      Yeah, me neither.

  10. Vagon

    Reply

    “He made those in the mother’s womb special.

    If you are a Christian, you must be pro-life and anti-abortion. If you go by Scripture alone, you see that God is the one who knit you and me in the womb.”

    If your deity made these pregnancies so special how come he “kills” as many as 50% of these lives before implantation?

  11. vintango2k

    Reply

    I did Steve, and they don’t. Most of them are amorphous making them look more akin to amoeba and starfish and decidedly NOT cross looking. Under an electron microscope they appear ‘blob-like’ not ‘cross-like’. Some can look cross-like but that’s like saying the clouds are shaped like crosses because you saw a few that look like crosses. You didn’t say this to your congregation, you informed them that the laminin looks like the cross or at least HEAVILY implied that. In fact you didn’t show them ACTUAL pictures of Laminin in the body because they don’t all look like crosses, you showed a simplified diagram. I do agree that the simplified DIAGRAM of Laminin looks like a cross but that’s created by men as an easy to see, visual representation. Now your congregation goes away with a bogus belief that they all have neat little crosses floating around in their body when they really don’t, and if any of them follow up on it they’ll see that you deceived them… or omitted certain things. Will you clarify your misstep to the people or will you be content with knowing most of them simply trust you and won’t think to fact check you. Deep down Steve you know you lied to them if not then than at least now, the question is can you perform enough mental gymnastics to convince yourself you didn’t, and that this deception ultimately serves the ‘greater good’, I mean you’re saved right, you can lie to people and pray for forgiveness as long as useful misinformation gets spread around to keep the flock faithful.

    So here’s one.

    Steve get this…

    Did you know… that we human beings look like crosses? Think about it, if we stretch out our arms to the side and raise our heads and put our feet together we look like a giant cross. That seems too perfect to be a coincidence does it not?

    Regardless, you lied to your congregation, you spread something that wasn’t true, in the same way that a priest at my church once told me that the Shroud of Turin was real. When I repeated this lie to people who knew better I looked like a fool. You are crippling the people you preach to when you say things like this, and creating backsliders the moment they learn they’ve been deceived, because they feel they have been lied to or deceived by you. The same goes for evolution, when Christians who know better hear you or Ray speak out against it, they recognize it for what it is, at best grasping at straws and promoting idiocy, and at worst, outright lying to people and stagnating scientific progress in this country by holding up personal incredulity and myth in favor of proven conclusions based on a rational evaluation of physical evidence that has stood the test of time and improved society, our lives, and technology.

      • perdita

        Man draws laminins to look like a cross, therefore God? Steve, cherry-picking evidence (in this case, ignoring anything non-cross like) is not considered good science.

      • vintango2k

        Steve,

        Is omitting facts in presenting your case, a lie? I think most people would agree that it is. By showing a simple diagram and then heavily implying that all Laminin look like crosses, you have mislead people. You might like the one image, but if you look at the VAST MAJORITY of laminin you’ll find they don’t look like crosses. Fellow Christians who are also scientists have debunked this popular myth because they’re afraid of the very thing that you’ve done. You have acted dishonestly, and the right thing to do would be to retract your statement, and clarify the misstep to your congregation. I suspect your original move was born out of ignorance rather than a deliberate deception, so I think you’re fully capable of doing the right thing.

      • Nohm

        To me, that looks like a person dancing.

        So, now we’ve come down to looking at shapes in the clouds. Huh.

        Also, if you notice in the drawn diagrams, it actually looks like strings of spaghetti twisted into a lower-case ‘t’ shape…

        Does that mean… could it mean… ??

        The Flying Spaghetti Monster IS True?! Oh my gosh!

        😉

      • Vagon

        So then do you think it was the honest thing to simply pick a diagram and present it as a compelling argument for your faith?

        Do you think even if laminins always appear in this shape that a laminin would be an honest and compelling argument for your particular version of your deity?

  12. Nohm

    Reply

    Steve: “If you Google Laminin you will see that the majority of the images look like a cross.”

    Would you claim that the majority of unique images look like a cross?

    Would you claim that the majority of unique and not drawn images look like a cross?

    Which of these is the best representative for the “laminin looks like a cross” claim?

    Does <a href="

  14. perdita

    Reply

    Steve, I don’t see any love for science. I see unquestioning acceptance of unsupported claims that conform to your beliefs and an unwillingness to even consider supported claims that don’t conform to your beliefs. That ain’t science.

    I’m surprised you read The Dragons of Eden. Have you read anything else by Sagan?

  15. Nameless Cynic

    Reply

    And despite any “controversy” over whether a diagram was drawn to resemble a cross, let’s just jump right back to the top.

    If you are a Christian, you must be pro-life and anti-abortion.

    Nonsense. If you actually read the Bible instead of trying to pummel people into submission with it, you’ll realize that in order to justify that, you have to twist biblical verses so far out of shape that you can’t even recognize them when you’re done.

    I swear that I’ve covered all this before.

  16. Michael Mock

    Reply

    “If you are a Christian, you must be pro-life and anti-abortion.”

    This is ridiculous on the face of it, at least in terms of the current socio-political discussion of the topic. I know plenty of folks who are politically pro-choice, and just as Christian as you are.

  18. Sola

    Reply

    That is a diagram of Laminin, not a sketch, not an accurate representation of what it looks like. It is simply a diagram to show the different intricate parts, how they relate to each other and how they all go together to form the protein. A cross was the easiest way to show all the related parts, nothing else. The protein does not look like a cross in any shape or form.

    If you are a Christian, you must be pro-life and anti-abortion. If you go by Scripture alone, you see that God is the one who knit you and me in the womb.

    Why? There is nothing about abortion in the bible. ‘God’ himself authorised the killing of unborn children by their thousands according to the bible.

    In other words: God knows what needs to be done: That’s omniscience. He’s always wherever He needs to be to do whatever needs to be done: That’s omnipresence. He has the power to do it: That’s omnipotence.

    Really? You really want to go there? So ‘God’ is OK with the thousands and thousands of people starving to death in this world of ours right now? So he is fine and dandy with children being sexually, physically and emotionally abused?

    If ‘God is all those things you profess him to be, yet stands by and does nothing to protect those most in need of his protection, then he is no benevolent deity and he is not worthy of worship.

  19. Reynold

    Reply

    I remember once pointing this (As you can see, sometimes it might take on a cross-shape, but it’s a very squiggly little thing in general.) out to Jinx McHue on his blog when he was going on about the laminin shape.

    He disregarded what I said and banned me.

  20. vintango2k

    Reply

    Alright since I can’t post this topic anywhere else without you deleting it Steve, I’ll post it here as you suggested. I watched your sermon on the laminin, and it was false, you represented a falsehood, you showed a diagram to your congregation and inferred that we all have crosses inside of us (for whatever reason) as scientific proof for God. You have been shown that isn’t the case, a simple online search shows that. I’ve frequented your site often, I find it an interesting place for conversation and a learning experience, but what I’ve seen is an act of blatant dishonesty. People in your church have been done a disservice by it, and if they pursued the subject further they’d learn that you were being dishonest with them. There’s nothing wrong with correcting an error, its humble, and ultimately its a forgivable mis-representation or… lie? But you have the power to correct the mistake and enlighten your congregation…. unless you feel the lie helps further your cause???

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