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Your Thoughts/My Thoughts: The Jesus Guy Revisited

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A couple of weeks ago, I did a small profile on the Jesus Guy who lives out of his van in South Redondo (Click here to read it).

My question was: Does he do any good for the cause of Christ?
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Here are my thoughts: I asked around at some of the businesses that surround Robert’s van, and the people said things like, “I wouldn’t want to talk to him,” or “He’s kind of scary.”

I think he rates with the guy who used to wear a multi-colored fright wig at football games and held up a sign that said: “John 3:16.” This method doesn’t really explain why Jesus is so important. It’s one thing to draw a crowd using extreme means in order to preach the Gospel (William Booth, the founder of the Salvation Army used to shout at an open umbrella on a street corner to attract an audience), it’s quite another thing entirely to act a bit kooky for the sake of being kooky—in the name of Jesus. There is just no sound explanation for plastering “Jesus” all over a tinsel-covered “Holy Van.”

Mike wrote this comment: “He might be reaching someone, but overall I think he is hurting the cause. People like him tend to preach without ever engaging in a meaningful dialog. As a non-believer this guy would have lost me. I would have written him off as a kook.

Jessica said: “Well, I have seen this guy. And when you go to talk with him, he won’t carry on a normal, relatable conversation. How is that helping the Kingdom of God? “
All in all, Pastor Doug has a great attitude concerning The Jesus Guy, when he wrote this: “I want to ask you to do one major thing concerning Robert (whom I’ve met and had conversations with): PRAY for him. Don’t judge him. Yes, Robert is a little out there; but I think that has more to do with his mental state, then his belief system…”

We always need to remember that God can (and does) use everything for his glory, regardless of how sane or nutty a person might appear to be… regardless of your thoughts or my thoughts!

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  1. I really must say this. I consider your evangelical lifestyle to be just 1 shade less nutty than this guy.

    You both believe in a non existant entity, born of a virgin in the middle east.

    You both believe that despite untold horror in this world an omnipotent benevolent sky daddy is watching over us.

    As you put the bible to us I put the following to you…

    “Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.” [Thomas Jefferson]

    “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent.
    Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
    Is he both able and willing? Whence then is evil?” [Epicurus]

    “Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.” [Isaac Asimov]

    I like the last one the best, the first dealing with reason relates to the last.

    The second is simply a paradox of beliveing in a benevolent god.

    But I address the third.

    I have read the bible, the old and new testament. I have read the Koran, I have read much of the rubbish the catholics have made up as they have gone along. I have read the book of Mormon.

    I have read these things without spin and preach and see them all as made up doctorine designed with a superiority to subdue and control population. You are doing bad work by being evangelical as you are carrying on this suspension of reason, this need to believe unproven words is a rot on the mind it is a waste of mind and a complete waste of life.

    The world would truly be a better place without you and mean this with all respect.

    What you are doing ins grooming the mind to believe nonsense, the grooming you use is fear, fear is very powerful and that’s why you find it works. Your whole premise is to scare them into beliveing. This is grooming. It’s what child molesters do to children to stop them telling thier parents. They suspend what they kow is right out of fear.

    Grooming the human mind with fear is wrong. You set the mind up for unreason in the rest of the world.

    My final quote from Richard Dawkins.

    “Nearly all peoples have developed their own creation myth, and the Genesis story is just the one that happened to have been adopted by one particular tribe of Middle Eastern herders. It has no more special status than the belief of a particular West African tribe that the world was created from the excrement of ants.” [Richard Dawkins, The Blind Watchmaker, Oxford University Press (1988), p316]

    The people that made you evangelical groomed you, now the abused goes on to abuse. Break the chain. realise god did not tell you to live this life man did, man has corrupted you and you are now corrupting man. Stop now and live a far happier life.

    Doogie

  2. I appreciate your comments and the citations from all the great pagan men. I’ll leave you with just three short quotes (careful though, they’re scary):

    “In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed.”

    “Unless you repent, you too will… perish.”

    “It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”

    Can you guess my source?

  3. I know, I know!!

    and I am sure if he read the bible like he says he did, he knows too. But he will never admit it. Only God can reach people like him.
    (through people like you!!!) Keep up the good work Steve!

  4. It is a translation from Acts, Luke and Hebrews respectivly. But the bible is false, I do not believe the bible was the word of god I believe as histroy has taught me beyond bible school that the bible was created, mulled over and compliled by commitee.

    There are 26 posssible revalation stories( Approx, it is the nature of theses things for figures like this to be inacurate ), ONE was chosen. Many accounts of creation, ONE was chosen, it’s all made up. Your parents and your parents parents set you up for this religion, either that or a pastor or teacher.

    And even now you are following only one point of christianity, Evangelism the need to spread the word, 93% of Christian denominations do not believe this yet they believe they are right check out this link

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations

    ALL of these think they are christian and some vary so widley they believe the others are going to hell.

    This means with so many people being so wrong, you are probably wrong also and the only people that told you you are right are also wrong.

    If you had been born in the middle east you would in all likelyhood be a muslim. Your birth and your religion are an accident of geography.

    The term Pagan to a christian normally means to worship another religion.

    I think Athiests are not PAGAN but Infidels Which means “Non Believer”

    1.3 Billion people believe the following to be true, as true as you believe your bible

    “Surely those who disbelieve and die while they are disbelievers, these it is on whom is the curse of Allah and the angels and men all”

    The term in context denies Jews and Christians as Believers.

    And thier book was written after yours… but then again so was the book of Mormon and they are all clearly mad so perhaps it’s a bad argument.

    But think of this. If you were to disect the book of Mormon you would see it as ridiculous, I mean you would have to believe you were going to get your own planet and rule is as a god…

    I see the Virgin birth, the resurection and then holy trinity as daft stories nothing more.

    God cannot reach me, just as Santa cannot intil me with the joy of christmas, as there is no God it is pure simple fact.

  5. Pagan/Infidel…Potato/Po-tah-toe…

  6. “Pagan/Infidel…Potato/Po-tah-toe… ”

    You are a funny guy Steve. ( No sarcasm, No pun, Just made me laugh )

  7. My third week in the workshop and I has passed out 3 $$$ person to person but 30plus$$ at a public event. There are things that God is working with me that I have to overcome before I can do this person to person(stranger) thing. After listening to True and False Conversions I realized why I fell away from the Lord several times during the past 40 some years of my life. It’s like the Seat Belt Law. I always wanted to wear my seat belt because I knew it would keep me safe but my friends would laugh at me and say “What, are you afraid you are going to die!”. Once it was made mandatory by law I was able to confidently put them on and tell them,”It’s the law, you’ll get a fine if you don’t have them on.” Irrefutably knowing if you break the Ten commandments you will go to hell makes it a fact that you must heed. If you try to keep the ten commandments and accept Jesus as your Saviour and give your life to God you will not go to Hell. This clear cut sharp sword it what man needs to stand against worldly influences.

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