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Welcome to Atheist Tuesday! The INSPY Award

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Welcome to a new weekly feature that will spotlight silly comments from this blog’s resident atheists, challenges to religious liberties in the U.S., and unbeliever’s opinions in general along with various and sundry articles and videos to help you deal with the atheist/unbeliever/agnostic/unsaved-and desperately-needing-a-Savior person in your life.

This week, I want to post a comment by a particularly snarky atheist who’s been hanging around here for several months: His name is AZOU (they never give their real names) and, unbeknown to him, he’s become something of a hero for the evangelist’s cause. On Sunday he left a comment on my Everyday Club post where members share how well they did on their monthly evangelist goals. Here it is:

“I threw a stack of tracts in the garbage. Sorry, but I prefer the bathroom at work to be tidy! Not the only garbage I’ve tossed in there.”

Many evangelists were encouraged by his comment knowing that God can use everything for His purposes. Paul Latour responded to Azou with this friendly reminder:

Dear Azou,

Thank you for helping us spread the Word of God by heaving gospel tracts into the trash. I have read more than one story of janitors and santitation workers finding these things in trash bins as they cleaned them out, were convicted by what they read, surrendered their life to Christ and were saved. Imagine that: sins forgiven and eternal life granted them in Heaven by what they found in the trash. Isn’t God wonderful?

Your contribution is very much appreciated. Bless you!

PS: Azou,

What are your evangelistic goals for August? Keep up the good work!

The same thought was expressed by SeedSowerJoy:

It’s just possible that the person who empties out the trash in that restroom will see the tracts and read one. Who knows? He may’ve repented and put his trust in the Lord and he would have YOU to thank for providing the information he needed. Just imagine that! God’s Word always end up exactly where He intended.

Thank you.

This comment by Robert Moss reminds all Christians that leaving tracts in bathrooms is a great idea:

When you need help concentrating on doing business in the bathroom I help aide anyone (even atheists ) by leaving reading material…especially Chick Tracts due to their length and good artwork.

And Dede saw this as a rallying cry to do more!:

you and other non-believers will never slow us evangelists down. sorry we are here to stay buddy. and oh btw, there would be a very remote chance that an evangelist would leave a STACK of tracts in a public bathroom…besides there are plenty more where those came from. have a blessed day sir!

So, the honorary sold-out, on-fire encourager award, The Inspy, goes to… AZOU! Congratulations!

WAIT! DID YOU KNOW THAT THERE IS A TRACT CALLED THE “POOPER PEEPER” THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY TAPE TO THE BATHROOM WALL? CLICK HERE TO SEE IT! (Thanks again, Azou. I almost forgot about it.)

61 Comments

  1. Garrett- You have a lot of passion for what you believe and I respect you for that. Of course I do not agree with you, but you have conviction. I am sorry you feel like you have been ignored or talked down upon. That is not, of course what I am aiming for. I just must give the truth and that can come off as harsh at times. I continue to learn through reading and study on these issues, which will take the rest of my life (however long that is) to learn on this issue of God’s existence and presenting the evidence in the best way possible.

    Nohm- Thank you for your posts. You are a little easier to dialogue with than Garrett (who seems a little angry). You have shed more light on what atheism is. You have cleared some things up for me. I have said in the past that I have not had many dealings with atheists. Just here and there when I have gone out witnessing. The atheists I did run into just wanted me to know they were an atheist and then they took off. I wanted to talk, but did not get the chance. I thank you for speaking to me.

    There are other comments that the both of you (Garrett and Nohm) made that I would like to address but because of time I can not. I am sure we will have run ins again real soon on this website. I do believe that both of your claims that your best evidence for God’s non-existence is my lack of evidence is faulty to say the least (I will say that one of your fellow atheists on this blog did do a run down of what it would take for him to believe in God. It was quite a list of all the miracles for him to believe. I give him credit for giving something). I gave logical, rational reasons for God’s existence and all you gave was a “not enough or not good evidence.” I just think that is weaker in the long run then someone who actually gives solid reasons for what he or she believes, in this case God’s existence. Yes there are counter-arguments that need to be addressed, but in the long run they are small when standing next to the evidence. The bottom line is the saying, “The man who has had the experience is not at the mercy of the man who has an argument.” I know that God exist because I have met Him and have a relationship with Him. How that all works I will spend the rest of my life learning and finding out. I know Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior by the power of the Holy Spirit living within me. How that all works, I do not know and will never fully know or understand. One day I will know more and even then there will still be much to learn about God in eternity. God bless!
    and please remember:

    Though we broke the Ten Commandments (we‘ve all told a lie at some point, taken something that does not belong to us (a thief), taken God‘s name in vain (blasphemy) and/or hated someone and committed murder in our heart), Jesus Christ has paid the fine through his life’s blood. His death on the cross along with his resurrection sealed satan’s and death’s defeat. We are guilty in God’s courtroom (that’s hell for eternity), but Jesus settled the fine to give us heaven for eternity. Now Jesus commands all people to repent and put their trust in Jesus to save them. Please do that today and God will grant you eternal life by forgiving your sins. Not because of me, not because of you, but because of Him and who He is. A God that gives us what we do not deserve. Please repent and trust Jesus. Today is the day of salvation.

    -Thomas

  2. Thomas wrote: “I do believe that both of your claims that your best evidence for God’s non-existence is my lack of evidence is faulty to say the least

    That is not what either Garrett or myself wrote. Please re-read our comments. I explicitly explained that I have no need for evidence of God’s non-existence, since I don’t make claim that there is no God. You make the claim that there is one, and so you must support that claim.

    Again, if I said “prove to me that you don’t owe me $100,000!!”, what would be your response?

    Thomas wrote: “I gave logical, rational reasons for God’s existence

    No, you decidedly did not. You gave arguments that contained multiple logical fallacies, which is obviously not a “logical reason”. Your arguments operated from axioms which Garrett and I have no reason to have, and they referenced non-objective non-testable evidence, so they weren’t “rational” either.

    This goes back again to what the word “logical” means, and I argue that you continue to use it incorrectly, due to your inexperience with formal logic.

    Thomas wrote: “and all you gave was a “not enough or not good evidence.”

    This is not true. I can point you again to the “Arguing with Atheists” thread where I dealt with your arguments, and my responses were a bit more than “not good enough.”

    I’ll also throw in again that arguments are not evidence. Arguments are used to explain evidence in order to support your claims.

    Thomas wrote: “I just think that is weaker in the long run then someone who actually gives solid reasons for what he or she believes, in this case God’s existence.

    As I said, you’ll have to be specific for what “beliefs” you’re talking about, and I’ll be happy to give you solid reasons.

    As for God’s existence, the burden of proof is on you. It is not incumbent on me to provide evidence for His non-existence, just like you don’t have to provide evidence that you don’t owe me $100,000.

    I only have to provide evidence for the claims that I make, and I don’t make the claim “God does not exist” (seriously, how many times have I written this now??). I claim that you haven’t presented evidence, only arguments, and those arguments contain multiple logical fallacies.

    Thomas wrote: “Yes there are counter-arguments that need to be addressed,

    Yes, that’s been my point. You still haven’t addressed them.

    but in the long run they are small when standing next to the evidence.

    Such evidence that you’ve talked about a lot but have never presented, even after I’ve asked you multiple times.

    And how can you claim that “they are small” when you haven’t even dealt with them at all??? I’m still not convinced you even know what the counter-arguments are!

    Thomas wrote: “I know that God exist because I have met Him and have a relationship with Him.

    Ok, and I don’t because I haven’t and I don’t. So where does this leave us? I should believe based solely on your say-so?

    Thomas wrote: “Though we broke the Ten Commandments…

    Yes, and the Quran says that you’re going to hellfire because you worship the Trinity. Why should I believe you over them? Why should I believe the Bible over the Quran? Why should I believe what any ancient holy book says?

    Yes, I know… all that evidence that you talk about but never present.

  3. Nohm- I guess on certain things we just may always hit a brick wall. Though I do apologize if I have come off like I do not remember what you said in the past on certain things. Some things, yes I have forgotten simply because I do not get on this blog and just reread everything all the time. You must get on this blog quite often. Again I apologize I will try to do better in the future on that. But many things I do remember and have learned a lot with the atheists on this blog. Now I would like to address a counter-argument to each of the 3 C’s for you now. This is just one argument (one does have two) at the moment.

    Creation- God created every thing we see. He is the Creator of all things seen and unseen. So who created God then? The Bible makes it clear that God is the uncreated one (the Beginning and the End [Alpha and Omega]). This is where are human mind cannot fully wrap itself around the uncreated one. One day it will make a little more sense for those who go to heaven.

    Conscience- God is the creator of the conscience, the knowledge of right and wrong. But isn’t the conscience just a man-made construct to help keep society together? If this is true that the conscience is just something that has formed over time than there truly is no right or wrong. At one time murder would have been a right. Now through time and trial murder is a wrong. But deep down no human being truly believes this. There has to be an intrinsic element to right and wrong. I contend that this intrinsic element is good because wrong or evil (not everything that is wrong is necessarily evil but for this I am using them together) is a deviation from good (anyone would agree that rape, murder and theft is wrong. But what makes those things wrong? Because we understand by our God-given conscience that those evil things stray from what is good). That intrinsic good has to ultimately be God who is the very definition of good. God creates a solid ground for morality to rest on.

    Christ Jesus- Jesus showed humanity who God is in the flesh, face to face in a intimate way. But how do we know that Jesus really even existed? This is an unbelievable claim simply because of ALL the evidence we have for the existence for Jesus. Only the most fringe historians would say that he did not exist. The evidence is overwhelming for his existence (biblical and outside the Bible). But what about the resurrection, there is no way that could have taken place? There are many good explanations for the resurrection of Jesus Christ. One of them being the fact of Jesus’ disciples. Why would these disciples one minute run when Jesus was arrested and then a short time later begin to proclaim that he was alive? They had nothing to gain from it except death. And that is exactly what happened to almost all of the disciples. If it was a lie that they came up with they would have never, no one would ever, die willingly for a lie. But they did die, declaring to the end that Jesus was resurrected. And they were not the only ones who saw Jesus alive after his death.

    Nohm this is just the beginning on these three areas for the existence of God. I knew that the fourth “C” (the supernatural element) of the Holy Spirit would be the hardest for you (one reason) simply because in your mind I am not a credible source so to speak. But I tell you again that I have a relationship with the living God (I KNOW HIM) and that I was once blind but now I see. Again how it all works I do not fully understand or know, but it did work, it does work and I know that God’s power, his Holy Spirit will continue to work in my life.

    Nohm I just want to continue to thank you for the dialogue. I am learning so much. You may not realize it but God is using you and you don’t even know it. He is using you to strengthen me in my faith in Him (God) for future furthering of His Kingdom by the power of his Holy Spirit. For that I am grateful to you and your time. God bless.

    Thomas

    P.S.— I would like to get into dialogue on the superiority of Christianity over Islam. As of writing right now I do not have time. But something I would like to do soon. So much to go over. I have to take one step at a time. Talk to you later.

  4. Tom, I’m off work tomorrow. Have Yahweh swing by around 5pm or so and we can chat over dinner. These blogs can be great for networking, and it’s fantastic that I’ve encountered someone who’s met Yahweh.

    If that doesn’t work, we can just exchange schedules and work something out. I know he’s a busy dude, but since he apparently works outside the laws of time, I’m guessing he can pencil me in.

    Looking forward to it!

  5. Oh, and I am relieved that everything will make sense AFTER the crucial judgement that potentially sends us to eternal damnation.

  6. Thomas, I want to hit on a point really quickly, before I can get to the rest of your comment:

    But how do we know that Jesus really even existed? This is an unbelievable claim simply because of ALL the evidence we have for the existence for Jesus. Only the most fringe historians would say that he did not exist. The evidence is overwhelming for his existence (biblical and outside the Bible).

    1. I do not make the claim “Jesus did not exist”. You are making the claim that he did. As I have mentioned before, if we’re talking about “street preacher” Jesus, then I have no problem with that claim. If we’re talking “divine superpowers” Jesus, then I have an issue.

    2. Here again you do exactly what I mentioned before. You keep saying that there’s all this evidence, but note that at no point did you provide any. You make claim after claim after claim with no effort put into supporting them. If the evidence is so overwhelming, why didn’t you present some of it?

    If I thought that the evidence was overwhelming for something, that means it would be easier for me to present that evidence. What I wouldn’t do is keep claiming there’s a bunch of it out there, poisoning the well by calling people “fringe historians” without showing any indication that you’ve read their research, and then never actually detailing out any evidence.

    That’s my main problem. And that doesn’t even touch on my opinion that your selected “counter-arguments to the 3 C’s” are the biggest softballs I’ve ever seen. Your reply to the Watchmaker Argument criticisms was particularly difficult for me to keep my jaw from the floor.

    I really apologize how I’m coming off here, Thomas. I’m honestly trying to avoid being mean and I’m trying to continue this dialogue. But it seems like you’re not actually researching what non-believers actually say and argue, and that you’re getting all of this info from “how to argue against an atheist” on Christian websites.

    Believe me, I do understand this. I was also once taught (during evangelism classes) how to dialogue with imaginary atheists. The problem with that is, you’re trained to talk with imaginary people.

    We non-believers are not imaginary ones you’re taught about.

  7. Gah, let’s try that again:

    Thomas, I want to hit on a point really quickly, before I can get to the rest of your comment:

    But how do we know that Jesus really even existed? This is an unbelievable claim simply because of ALL the evidence we have for the existence for Jesus. Only the most fringe historians would say that he did not exist. The evidence is overwhelming for his existence (biblical and outside the Bible).

    1. I do not make the claim “Jesus did not exist”. You are making the claim that he did. As I have mentioned before, if we’re talking about “street preacher” Jesus, then I have no problem with that claim. If we’re talking “divine superpowers” Jesus, then I have an issue.

    2. Here again you do exactly what I mentioned before. You keep saying that there’s all this evidence, but note that at no point did you provide any. You make claim after claim after claim with no effort put into supporting them. If the evidence is so overwhelming, why didn’t you present some of it?

    If I thought that the evidence was overwhelming for something, that means it would be easier for me to present that evidence. What I wouldn’t do is keep claiming there’s a bunch of it out there, poisoning the well by calling people “fringe historians” without showing any indication that you’ve read their research, and then never actually detailing out any evidence.

    That’s my main problem. And that doesn’t even touch on my opinion that your selected “counter-arguments to the 3 C’s” are the biggest softballs I’ve ever seen. Your reply to the Watchmaker Argument criticisms was particularly difficult for me to keep my jaw from the floor.

    I really apologize how I’m coming off here, Thomas. I’m honestly trying to avoid being mean and I’m trying to continue this dialogue. But it seems like you’re not actually researching what non-believers actually say and argue, and that you’re getting all of this info from “how to argue against an atheist” on Christian websites.

    Believe me, I do understand this. I was also once taught (during evangelism classes) how to dialogue with imaginary atheists. The problem with that is, you’re trained to talk with imaginary people.

    We non-believers are not imaginary ones you’re taught about.

  8. Nohm and Garrett, thanks again for your info. You both have taught me many things during this time. God bless!

    -Thomas

  9. You’re welcome, Thomas, but I honestly was looking forward to what evidence you were going to present.

  10. @Nohm. No one here can give you any physical proof, and while you may think this makes their claim untrue, I can explain why that is not the case.

    If, for example, I were to tell you about Algebra, and you knew nothing about Algebra, the only way for you to prove that Algebra exists would be to gain firsthand knowledge of Algebra for yourself. Once you did, you would find that the textbooks written on Algebra are correct, as you could work out the proofs for yourself, line by line. Without knowledge of Algebra, the lines of numbers and letters would just look like nonsense.

    The way to prove God is that same kind of firsthand knowledge. Once you know him, then you can put others to the proof, and know whether what they are saying and what they are quoting or writing is really from God. Simply saying, the burden of proof is on others is like saying, Algebra may exist, but I have no desire to learn it and until someone can somehow make Algebra manifest itself in a miraculous way or force itself into my brain, I will not believe in it. Sad news, you would never know Algebra and never have any proof of it. As someone who knows both, I can tell you that knowing God is better than knowing Algebra, and if you want to discuss it more I can tell you why.

  11. No one here can give you any physical proof

    Okay. Although I’d ask, “why not?”

    and while you may think this makes their claim untrue

    I don’t; there are far bigger issues that make me think their claims are untrue.

    For an example of a “far bigger issue”, it’s my opinion that their claims are not internally consistent.

    Kinda like the tv show “Lost”.

    The way to prove God is that same kind of firsthand knowledge.

    Okay. What is the best way to gain this firsthand knowledge? Every explanation that’s been given to me has not worked.

    Simply saying, the burden of proof is on others is like saying, Algebra may exist, but I have no desire to learn it and until someone can somehow make Algebra manifest itself in a miraculous way or force itself into my brain, I will not believe in it.

    I completely disagree. The burden of proof is on others because those others are the ones making the claim that God exists. Not just that, but that I should follow His particular rules, and not those of the gods that other people worship (such as Allah).

    I never said that I have no desire to learn it.

    I certainly never said “until someone can somehow make God manifest itself in a miraculous way or force Himself into my brain, I will not believe in Him.”

    Those are straw-men.

    As I asked above, what is the way to gain this knowledge?

    For the record, if the answer is anywhere along the lines of “humbly repent, read the Bible, follow the Holy Spirit, etc”… been there, done that.

    Have you repented to Allah, read the holy Quran, and followed the five pillars? Why or why not?

    If the answer is “no”, then why should someone do something that you yourself don’t do?

    If the answer is “yes”, and you came away not believing in Allah, then you and I are in the same spot, only with regards to your God in my case.

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