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  1. Steve L.

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    ” Thankfully, being killed for being an atheist is NOT a common occurrence in America.”

    I agree, as each individual should have the chance to hear the Gospel and make a decision based on the facts!

    “Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.” (John 20:30-31 ESV)

    • Rykunderground

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      Agreed but being attacked, discriminated against, lied about and insulted happen to atheists all the time. Not that I am really complaining, the persecution I have had to deal with as an athiest is minor compared to what gay people or African Americans have had to deal with. It is signicantly worse than what most American Christians call persecution though. I have heard Christians say they are being persecuted because someone said “Happy Holidays” to them. Wait till they lose their job, have people tell lies about them and claim they are murderers, and then attack them with a pool cue. Then they can discuss persecution.

      Now of course Christians outside the US have been persecuted badly, but so have athiests. That is why I like being an American. We may be surrounded by small minded bigots but at least the law keeps them mostly in check, not so in other parts of the world.

      • vintango2k

        Hmmm perhaps this article will help people on this blog avoid making blanket, bigoted statements against atheists, what say you Steve?

  4. Steve L.

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    Jim:
    Just for good measure, I have the Word of God in my hand; and those are all the facts I need!! PERIOD!!

  5. Steve L.

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    Sounds to me like you bought into one of those stinky movements Jim!

    On drinking poison, I don’t go around putting my God to the test.
    Luke 4:1-13

    • Steve Sanchez

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      And Steve L., don’t you dare tell them that that passage isn’t even in the better, more trusted manuscripts. Can you just imagine what those atheists would do with our claims that the bible is trustworthy? Whew!

      • Rykunderground

        Must be nice to be able to rewrite your superstitions when they make you look silly. If you rewrite out all of the magic, miracles, talking animals, creation stories and the rest of the obvious myths it would be easier to give your Bible some credibility. Well actually not so much… even the non magical bits aren’t all that useful.

  6. Nameless Cynic

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    You know, the article doesn’t quite get it right.

    Spc Ramirez wasn’t “killed because he was an atheist” – he was killed because Justin Green objected to him being an atheist.

    Subtle difference. Atheism didn’t kill him. Religion did.

    • Steve Sanchez

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      And religion is always dangerous; that is why we promote relationship. When one has a relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ, one watches what one does so that one may glorify the One.

      • theB1ackSwan

        This is akin to saying, “I hate soda, but I love Pepsi.”

    • Rykunderground

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      A “relationship” with a deity is a religion. Semantics are not an answer they are evidence that you lack any answers.

  8. Nameless Cynic

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    * sigh *

    Really? You don’t know the history of your own Holy Writ?

    Except for a few fragments from the prophets, almost no biblical text is contemporaneous with the events it describes, and every part was subject to revision by later authors.

    Further, we don’t have any of the original documents, but copies, often from centuries later than the original manuscript. Further, judging by the language/type of script used and other archeological evidence, not a single book of the Christian Bible was written even within decades of the events they describe, but between 50 and 100 years later (or more, in a few cases).

    (This strikes many of us as suspicious, when speaking of the historical nature of the documents.)

    That whole “Moses wrote it” idea? Give it up. There’s no evidence that the ancient Hebrews had a written language before the 10th Century BC, and Moses lived 1391–1271 BC (according to the Rabbis – Christian “scholars” tend to assume it was even earlier.)

    Prior to Gutenberg and his printing press, hand-copied manuscripts were easy to change, whether by accident or by (often political) design; and even afterwards it wasn’t a major challenge.

    Various books were lost or discarded through the years (look up the apocryphal/deuterocanonical books, and the terms “Council of Trent,” “First Vatican Council” and “Muratorian fragment”)

    And then there are the translation issues among the various versions of the Bible. The King James was considered “breathed out by God” for a long time; the Jehovah’s Witnesses, on the other hand, have their own personal version, the New World Translation, with multiple differences.

    This is actually common knowledge – find a copy of “Misquoting Jesus” for a more in-depth discussion.

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