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Atheists (and others): What say you?

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This is a short clip from the TV show ER. What do you think of it? (Warning:Rated PG14 for some mild offensive language)

58 Comments

  1. Azou,

    Blessed is your advice and blessed are you… for you have kept me this day… from avenging myself with my own hand. Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord. He who has ears, let him hear.

    Bizzle speaks: Nicholas, I’m sorry to say it brother, but you haven’t done yourself any favors.

    Bizzle,
    Must I not speak what the LORD puts in my mouth? Grace and peace to you from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Bizzle speaks: You’re both presenting your sides with a common problem I see with evangelizing (and this one of the reasons I don’t do it often), and this is as much the fault of those that train you as it is on you… He [Nohm] is asking for evidence that to support our beliefs. You are not providing evidence, at least not tangible evidence…

    Bizzle,
    What may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools…

    Bizzle speaks: Now I don’t believe we will be able to win him over, but you’re not even attempting to.

    Bizzle,
    All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. For this reason we also thank God without ceasing, because when you received the word of God which you heard… you welcomed it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God.

    Bizzle speaks: I am sure someone out there will be able to, I just haven’t met him/her yet.

    Bizzle,
    God has shown it to them. Blessed are the eyes that see what you see. Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne, and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.

    Nohm speaks: For the record, if you were asking me if I think that you have any power of your own to speak, I would answer with “Yes”. I hope you weren’t claiming that I’m a deceiver or an antichrist. Because… that’s a little kooky.

    Nohm,
    Grace and peace to you from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ. May the favor of the Lord our God rest upon you. Must I not speak what the LORD puts in my mouth?

    Nohm speaks: Where’s the deceit?

    Nohm,
    Many deceivers, who not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh…
    Would it turn out well if he [God] examined you? Could you deceive him as you might deceive men?
    If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He [God] is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord.

    Nohm speaks: So you say. That means that every Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, non-believer, etc who has ever lived is “a liar” in your book.

    Nohm,
    Must I not speak what the LORD puts in my mouth? What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? God will judge those outside.

    Nohm speaks: Since the “evidence” for Jesus is pretty much either “There are people who believe that a guy named Jesus was the messiah” or “Jesus has superpowers”, I don’t believe in *that* Jesus, and I very much question the evidence as it appears to be hearsay… Yes, I’ve read the Bible.

    Nohm,
    Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. For since the creation of the world His [God’s] invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made… All Scripture is God-breathed… For I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.

    Nohm speaks: Yes, I’ve read the Bible.

    Nohm,
    For I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.

    Grace and peace to you from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ.

    He [God] first loved us… while we were still sinners… But unless you repent, you too will… perish. He [God] is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

    Nohm, Azou, may you have eyes that see and ears that hear, in Jesus name, Amen!

    Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God Almighty, who was, and is, and is to come!
    …in all things God may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom belong the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.

  2. Nicholas,

    I’ll take that as a “no, I have no evidence to present”, then.

    Lastly, Nicholas wrote: “and their foolish hearts were darkened

    All the better to demonize me with, eh?

    I think it’s safe to say that you’re not looking for a conversation, Nicholas, and that’s perfectly fair; you’re not obligated to do so.

    Be well,

    Nohm

  3. I’m calling Poe on Nicholas.

  4. Nohm,
    Grace and peace to you from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ. In earlier posts, you have asked for our best evidence for God’s existence. As Christians, we know that our best evidence is the Law, the Prophets, the Gospel of Jesus Christ- God’s Word- found in the Bible, and the world we observe and are a part of, what we call creation, as the best evidence for God’s existence, and the saving work of Jesus Christ, His Son, God in the flesh, the exact image of God, who was, who is, and who is to come. You may have caught on, yet if you look at essentially all of my posts on this current thread prior to this, all of my comments, save my personal prayer for you and Azou to have eyes that see and ears that hear- all of my comments were taken directly from the Bible. I did not say so, in the hope and prayer that you would not recognize it as so and actually respond to it. My prayer was answered! Praise God! It is interesting that you say I am not interested in a conversation when if fact that is why I am here, to engage you with answers from the Word of God- not from my flesh, but from the Spirit of God, in the hope and prayer that it will not be men you debate, but the Holy Spirit.
    We can give you archeological, historical, anthropological, cosmological, mathematical, biological, and philosophical evidence for the existence of God, yet this will always be open to interpretation, and God’s existence is spiritually discerned, not absent-minded, yet He is understood beyond a purely intellectual debate, as a matter of faith, which is not without intellectual evidence. If you are interested in this type of evidence only, then I will soon post some interesting tracts for you to follow, yet I would not presume that many of such evidence is foreign to you, since I imagine you are intellectually superior to myself, yet please do make this request of me personally, if you would like it done.
    If you may, please look at something from God’s Word, as it is a good parable of the above comments: Luke 16:19-31.
    May God be patient with you, may we be patient with you, thank you for your time and comments, they are greatly appreciated.
    God Bless, He first loved us,
    Nicholas

    Azou,
    Grace and peace to you from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ.
    I am curious to what it means when you say you are, “calling Poe on Nicholas.” Is this some type of internet forum linguistics? Thank you for your time as well. God Bless.
    He loved us first,
    Nicholas

  5. Azou,
    Unless you are referring to Edgar Allan Poe?

  6. A poe is a person that cannot be labeled as satire or not. Your posts are so long and rambling that I cannot tell if you are sincere or simply pulling our chain to mock Christianity.

    The rest of your post is very standard stuff. No, you have not proven that existence as a whole is a creation. And even if we conceded that point, you have no evidence that your god is the creator.

    No, you really don’t seem to have the evidence for god. You fall back the spirituality because it’s a vague abstract that is very subjective and cannot be tested. But that opens up an infinite number of contradicting supernatural possibilities, so we stick with the objective and the observable. For all his supposed power, God’s a lightweight here.

    I have no idea who you are, so intellectually speaking anything is possible. But if it’s okay with Steve, post any tracts you want.

  7. Nicholas, for the purposes of this comment, I’ll assume you’re not a troll.

    I was very well aware that you were using Bible verses. That’s why my responses were relatively short, and why I haven’t responded much since then. I prefer to talk to YOU, not to your Bible.

    If you’re ever interested in having a discussion, I’m up for it, but if you’re just into spouting Bible verses and claiming that evidence exists without making any effort whatsoever to present it, then I can’t say I’m interested in chatting with a wall.

    Lastly, I feel uncomfortable with you presuming that I am “intellectually superior” to you. I might be in some areas, and you might be intellectually superior to me in other areas. It’s irrelevant to this discussion.

    If you have evidence, please present it.

  8. Ack, I wrote “troll” but I meant to write “Poe”.

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