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	<title>Comments on: Evangelism Gone Wrong? Part 1: Mistakes Were Made</title>
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		<title>By: clay</title>
		<link>http://stonethepreacher.com/2011/02/15/evangelism-gone-wrong-part1-mistakes-were-made.html/comment-page-1#comment-42655</link>
		<dc:creator>clay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 19:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve thanks for preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ! I only wish i had enough courage. Do not worry when people speak bad about you; remember the prophets, apostles, christians throughout history and even the Blessed Lord himself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve thanks for preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ! I only wish i had enough courage. Do not worry when people speak bad about you; remember the prophets, apostles, christians throughout history and even the Blessed Lord himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Sanchez</title>
		<link>http://stonethepreacher.com/2011/02/15/evangelism-gone-wrong-part1-mistakes-were-made.html/comment-page-1#comment-22576</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The reason I am writing these articles is for people like you, perdita. We don&#039;t/I don&#039;t want to be offensive with our/my behavior; the Gospel is offensive enough. 

In regard to the &quot;Mistakes&quot; article, I am just saying that we shouldn&#039;t feel guilty and condemned when we make them, even if we turn up the volume too loud. I wanted to say it in a funny way. 

Good points though. I appreciate you thinking these things over.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason I am writing these articles is for people like you, perdita. We don&#8217;t/I don&#8217;t want to be offensive with our/my behavior; the Gospel is offensive enough. </p>
<p>In regard to the &#8220;Mistakes&#8221; article, I am just saying that we shouldn&#8217;t feel guilty and condemned when we make them, even if we turn up the volume too loud. I wanted to say it in a funny way. </p>
<p>Good points though. I appreciate you thinking these things over.</p>
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		<title>By: perdita</title>
		<link>http://stonethepreacher.com/2011/02/15/evangelism-gone-wrong-part1-mistakes-were-made.html/comment-page-1#comment-22564</link>
		<dc:creator>perdita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Mar 2011 04:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know, I know, I don&#039;t have a dog in this hunt, or however that saying goes.  This is an issue for you theists to hash over, but sometimes I just can&#039;t help myself.  Back in the day when I was a Christian (I know, false Christian to you), it irked me when people wouldn&#039;t take a stand against Christian bad behavior.   &#039;Saying they&#039;re making mistakes is saying Jesus is making mistakes&#039; hit that long sleeping nerve.  

Now, I&#039;m very cautious about commending any theists here for fear someone will think, “Oh, no! If that bad, wicked atheist thinks it&#039;s right, it must be wrong!”  So, I won&#039;t. 

My quibble with your linked post is the “accidentally” because it seems like you&#039;re endorsing wink-wink-nudge-nudge-of-course-I-didn’t-mean-to-turn-it-up-that-loud.  It&#039;s one thing to make mistakes and assure people that mistakes are part of the learning curve, it&#039;s another to encourage people to hijack an unsuspecting audience and make purposeful &#039;mistakes&#039; in order to see how far you can push the envelope.  I hope what you are trying to do is the former and not the later, but that particular line is iffy to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know, I know, I don&#8217;t have a dog in this hunt, or however that saying goes.  This is an issue for you theists to hash over, but sometimes I just can&#8217;t help myself.  Back in the day when I was a Christian (I know, false Christian to you), it irked me when people wouldn&#8217;t take a stand against Christian bad behavior.   &#8216;Saying they&#8217;re making mistakes is saying Jesus is making mistakes&#8217; hit that long sleeping nerve.  </p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m very cautious about commending any theists here for fear someone will think, “Oh, no! If that bad, wicked atheist thinks it&#8217;s right, it must be wrong!”  So, I won&#8217;t. </p>
<p>My quibble with your linked post is the “accidentally” because it seems like you&#8217;re endorsing wink-wink-nudge-nudge-of-course-I-didn’t-mean-to-turn-it-up-that-loud.  It&#8217;s one thing to make mistakes and assure people that mistakes are part of the learning curve, it&#8217;s another to encourage people to hijack an unsuspecting audience and make purposeful &#8216;mistakes&#8217; in order to see how far you can push the envelope.  I hope what you are trying to do is the former and not the later, but that particular line is iffy to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Sanchez</title>
		<link>http://stonethepreacher.com/2011/02/15/evangelism-gone-wrong-part1-mistakes-were-made.html/comment-page-1#comment-22558</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Mar 2011 22:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[perdita,

Thanks for clearing all that up. :)

Don&#039;t forget to &lt;a href=&quot;http://stonethepreacher.com/2007/08/17/ev-tips-go-and-make-_________.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;read this&lt;/a&gt; if you haven&#039;t already.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>perdita,</p>
<p>Thanks for clearing all that up. <img src='http://stonethepreacher.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget to <a href="http://stonethepreacher.com/2007/08/17/ev-tips-go-and-make-_________.html" rel="nofollow">read this</a> if you haven&#8217;t already.</p>
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		<title>By: perdita</title>
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		<dc:creator>perdita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Mar 2011 18:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know - scratch all that.

It occurred to me that if you look at things through some sort of Calvinistic lens, you are right.  Because God has already chosen and if you&#039;re not part of the elect you&#039;ll never be part of the elect and the elect will never need correction, because, you know, they&#039;re elect.

It doesn&#039;t mean that you, Rev William Mills, &lt;i&gt;aren&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; deluded.  It just means that it would be a waste of time to correct you if you were.  Because if you&#039;re already going down a wrong path, that you&#039;re on a wrong path at all means you were never one of the elect and if you were never one of the elect you might as well keep your delusions for as long as you can.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know &#8211; scratch all that.</p>
<p>It occurred to me that if you look at things through some sort of Calvinistic lens, you are right.  Because God has already chosen and if you&#8217;re not part of the elect you&#8217;ll never be part of the elect and the elect will never need correction, because, you know, they&#8217;re elect.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t mean that you, Rev William Mills, <i>aren&#8217;t</i> deluded.  It just means that it would be a waste of time to correct you if you were.  Because if you&#8217;re already going down a wrong path, that you&#8217;re on a wrong path at all means you were never one of the elect and if you were never one of the elect you might as well keep your delusions for as long as you can.</p>
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		<title>By: perdita</title>
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		<dc:creator>perdita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Mar 2011 18:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, to tell someone they are making mistakes is to say that &lt;i&gt;they&lt;/i&gt; are making mistakes.     Even assuming that Jesus can use anything you say to His benefit, it doesn’t follow that what you are saying is exactly what He wants – you may be keeping Him busy correcting your mistakes.  Assuming that you are claiming that it is impossible for you to act in a way contrary to what Jesus wants means you don’t believe you have free will - or you’re confusing yourself with Jesus.  This may be your position – I don’t know.  

Unless you are claiming that each Christian is omniscient, there is no way to know with 100% certainty that you have the message right.  Even assuming that God is powerful enough to let you know something with 100%  accuracy, &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; still don’t have the means to determine between what you think God is telling you and what your flesh is telling you.  &lt;i&gt;You&lt;/i&gt; would need omniscience for that.  But you may be claiming this – I don’t know.

And I think you understand this.  I think you know of people, or groups of people, that sincerely believe they are doing God’s work even though you think they are not.  What I’m going to say is something that you will reject, but it is quite possible that you are as misguided as those others.  And if you turn on the echo-chamber because you&#039;re absolutely convinced that you could not possibly have it wrong, you&#039;ll never know this.

Unless they’re completely narcissistic or deeply delusional, most people understand the benefit of constructive criticism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, to tell someone they are making mistakes is to say that <i>they</i> are making mistakes.     Even assuming that Jesus can use anything you say to His benefit, it doesn’t follow that what you are saying is exactly what He wants – you may be keeping Him busy correcting your mistakes.  Assuming that you are claiming that it is impossible for you to act in a way contrary to what Jesus wants means you don’t believe you have free will &#8211; or you’re confusing yourself with Jesus.  This may be your position – I don’t know.  </p>
<p>Unless you are claiming that each Christian is omniscient, there is no way to know with 100% certainty that you have the message right.  Even assuming that God is powerful enough to let you know something with 100%  accuracy, <i>you</i> still don’t have the means to determine between what you think God is telling you and what your flesh is telling you.  <i>You</i> would need omniscience for that.  But you may be claiming this – I don’t know.</p>
<p>And I think you understand this.  I think you know of people, or groups of people, that sincerely believe they are doing God’s work even though you think they are not.  What I’m going to say is something that you will reject, but it is quite possible that you are as misguided as those others.  And if you turn on the echo-chamber because you&#8217;re absolutely convinced that you could not possibly have it wrong, you&#8217;ll never know this.</p>
<p>Unless they’re completely narcissistic or deeply delusional, most people understand the benefit of constructive criticism.</p>
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		<title>By: Rev William Mills</title>
		<link>http://stonethepreacher.com/2011/02/15/evangelism-gone-wrong-part1-mistakes-were-made.html/comment-page-1#comment-22469</link>
		<dc:creator>Rev William Mills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 14:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Telling people who are evangelizing they are making mistakes is wrong.  NO ONE makes a mistake who shares Jesus Christ with the lost.  When we share Jesus we plant a seed, even if the result of that sharing is not what WE hope, it is EXACTLY what Jesus wants. We plant a seed for Jesus to use.

  To tell someone they are making mistakes is saying Jesus is making a mistake, and we KNOW Jesus makes NO mistakes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Telling people who are evangelizing they are making mistakes is wrong.  NO ONE makes a mistake who shares Jesus Christ with the lost.  When we share Jesus we plant a seed, even if the result of that sharing is not what WE hope, it is EXACTLY what Jesus wants. We plant a seed for Jesus to use.</p>
<p>  To tell someone they are making mistakes is saying Jesus is making a mistake, and we KNOW Jesus makes NO mistakes.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Sanchez</title>
		<link>http://stonethepreacher.com/2011/02/15/evangelism-gone-wrong-part1-mistakes-were-made.html/comment-page-1#comment-21718</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 05:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re welcome! C&#039;mon, share what happened!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re welcome! C&#8217;mon, share what happened!</p>
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		<title>By: Faith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Faith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2011 01:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you so much for posting this Pastor Steve!  This is a wonderful encouragement to me and very appropriately timed due to one of my more recent witnessing encounters.  Thank you for allowing yourself to be put under the public spotlight for the edification of other believers!  God bless you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for posting this Pastor Steve!  This is a wonderful encouragement to me and very appropriately timed due to one of my more recent witnessing encounters.  Thank you for allowing yourself to be put under the public spotlight for the edification of other believers!  God bless you!</p>
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		<title>By: Garrett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2011 00:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Regardless, if you make the hypothesis then YOU do the experiment. If your results confirm the hypothesis, THEN you show us so we can try and replicate your outcome.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless, if you make the hypothesis then YOU do the experiment. If your results confirm the hypothesis, THEN you show us so we can try and replicate your outcome.</p>
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